Northeast Assembly Thread

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

Back to debate on the bill....honestly, I'm speechless.  I'm not a union fan but this is over the top.

Not requiring members to belong to a union is one thing.......not allowing unions at all is quite another.

Even right to work states don't outlaw unions....

I'll be voting, Nay.

Why not offer an amendment to the bill to make it less extreme?

Because I'm not sure I want to change the status quo.

[cinyc]

I'm no fan of unions, but I don't think we could totally ban them without violating our citizens' right of association.  We could make unionization more difficult by allowing workers to opt-out without paying dues and receiving the same fringe benefits.

Why are we treating public employee unions different that private sector employee unions here?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

This is not 18th Century and this bill is extreme even for not a fans of Union, what to say about me.

I'll vote nay.

[Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey]

I don't think that it's right that we can ban unions completely--that sounds fishy. Because if we can ban unions it seems logical that we can violate people's right to associate, meaning that we can ban orchestras, ban newspapers, etc. Yes, I know what I just said a slippery slope argument, but we should not set a precedent for future generations to come. The right to free association is one of the most integral aspects in a free society, and we ought not diminish it.

That being said, I dislike unions. We should diminish their power, or at the very least, we should protect the rights of the employer so that the employer does not (legally) have to pander down to the unions.

With this bill, I will vote nay, but get rid of the outright ban on unions and it's likely I'll vote for it.

[segwaystyle2012]

It's not an out right ban on unions (Han, Gramps). This bill only affects unionization of government employees. What purpose do these unions serve? Government is not a corporation out to make a profit, and I already listed the trade off of public jobs vs. private.

Kalwejt, you're absolutely right. This isn't the 1800s. That fact there makes unions relatively pointless. Working conditions are fine; wages are fair.

Speaker, I think we might need to extend the debate period on this bill, for a period I will leave up to your more experienced discretion.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I'm not opposed to Government employee unions as long as certian vital employees cannot strike.

The government employee unions do one good thing - they help ensure rank and file members don't get dismissed for something other than good cause, which can happen in a political environment.

In fact, government unions bother me less than private sector thugs like the teachers union and teamsters.

[segwaystyle2012]

I'm not opposed to Government employee unions as long as certian vital employees cannot strike.

The government employee unions do one good thing - they help ensure rank and file members don't get dismissed for something other than good cause, which can happen in a political environment.

In fact, government unions bother me less than private sector thugs like the teachers union and teamsters.

Teachers' unions are public employee unions, Gramps.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

I'm not opposed to Government employee unions as long as certian vital employees cannot strike.

The government employee unions do one good thing - they help ensure rank and file members don't get dismissed for something other than good cause, which can happen in a political environment.

In fact, government unions bother me less than private sector thugs like the teachers union and teamsters.

Good points.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I wish Spade could teach me how to very cryptically say something without referring to it openly.

[#CriminalizeSobriety]

I will offer an amendment:

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[k-onmmunist]

I wish Spade could teach me how to very cryptically say something without referring to it openly.

We all do.

[segwaystyle2012]

I will accept Dallasfans amendment.

[Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey]

I will accept Dallasfans amendment.

[cinyc]

How much longer of a debate period do you want?  The current vote is set for around 10PM Saturday.  Is Sunday afternoon sufficient?

[segwaystyle2012]

How much longer of a debate period do you want?  The current vote is set for around 10PM Saturday.  Is Sunday afternoon sufficient?

Yeah sure but I want to make certain that everyone's concerns are able to be addressed because this is really our only chance to pass labor reform.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I'm not opposed to Government employee unions as long as certian vital employees cannot strike.

The government employee unions do one good thing - they help ensure rank and file members don't get dismissed for something other than good cause, which can happen in a political environment.

In fact, government unions bother me less than private sector thugs like the teachers union and teamsters.

Teachers' unions are public employee unions, Gramps.

Not really, but I concede your point on a technicality.

[segwaystyle2012]

I'm not opposed to Government employee unions as long as certian vital employees cannot strike.

The government employee unions do one good thing - they help ensure rank and file members don't get dismissed for something other than good cause, which can happen in a political environment.

In fact, government unions bother me less than private sector thugs like the teachers union and teamsters.

Teachers' unions are public employee unions, Gramps.

Not really, but I concede your point on a technicality.

Schools receive their funding from the government; they are not private and they are not operated for profit. I don't know what they would be considered if not public.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

I'm not opposed to Government employee unions as long as certian vital employees cannot strike.

The government employee unions do one good thing - they help ensure rank and file members don't get dismissed for something other than good cause, which can happen in a political environment.

In fact, government unions bother me less than private sector thugs like the teachers union and teamsters.

Teachers' unions are public employee unions, Gramps.

Not really, but I concede your point on a technicality.

Schools receive their funding from the government; they are not private and they are not operated for profit. I don't know what they would be considered if not public.

I really don't know anyone that regards them as a public union, but no matter, the teacher's unions negotiate locally with the school boards and the state's and certainly regions would not be involved in that.  I don't think a state/region could ban something which it doesn't control.

[cinyc]

Okay.  Debate will continue until 2:00PM on Sunday, March 14.

[segwaystyle2012]

Teachers' Unions Exposed

HERE

And the other unions are just as bad, of course.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Teachers' Unions Exposed

HERE

And the other unions are just as bad, of course.

Do they use a black choopers too?

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Teachers' Unions Exposed

HERE

And the other unions are just as bad, of course.

Do they use a black choopers too?

What the hell is a "black chooper"?

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Uh, sorry, I mean copters (DA GOVERNMENT/EVUL UNIONZ CONSPIRACY!)

[segwaystyle2012]

Kalwejt, I must respectfully ask that you take your legislative duties more seriously.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Kalwejt, I must respectfully ask that you take your legislative duties more seriously.

We both should.