Right to Life Bill (Motion to Table)

[Ebowed]

I just wonder what sudden justification there is to make a federal policy out of this.

As I have noted, present federal statute regarding abortion applies only to territories and areas under federal jurisdiction.

[HappyWarrior]

I'd like to know know the Regional Protection Party can support such a clear infringment on Regional Rights?

[Franzl]

I encourage the Senators to vote nay on this motion and to take afleitch's comments to heart. If you work at it, a comprehensive abortion reform plan may be possible.

I was planning on saving my sex education and birth control program as a part of my legislative agenda.....but I suppose you and afleitch are right. This would be an opportunity to combine both efforts.

I need to think about an amendment for a little while.

NAY on the motion to table.

[afleitch]

I encourage the Senators to vote nay on this motion and to take afleitch's comments to heart. If you work at it, a comprehensive abortion reform plan may be possible.

I was planning on saving my sex education and birth control program as a part of my legislative agenda.....but I suppose you and afleitch are right. This would be an opportunity to combine both efforts.

I need to think about an amendment for a little while.

NAY on the motion to table.

I was simply raising the concept of a wider ranging sex education programme as one of the potential barriers to abortion reform. I can see the necessity to limit abortion as much as possible, but only in exchange for the most liberal sex education program feasable. There are two potential roadblocks to this;

1. Is this a federal issue? Should we make it one?
2. Would those who wish to outlaw abortion be willing to compromise by a. Keeping it legal but rare and b. Supporting a massive extension of sex education and cheap (possibly free) contraception?

I would be in favour of a liberalisation of sex education in ways that would make a whore blush in exchange for a tougher limit to abortion.

That's the 'deal' But can it be done?

[Franzl]

I'm very strongly in favor of the best and most comprehensive sex education possible....

Perhaps we should discuss a possible compromise though.....and reject the motion to table now to allow for further debate?

[Ebowed]

But abortion is already restricted in the third trimester in areas under federal jurisdiction.  I don't see what is so unreasonable about current law regarding the subject.

By all means, extend funding for contraception distribution programs (preferably in another bill entirely, and not this one).  Sexual education standards are already quite liberal.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I'd like to know know the Regional Protection Party can support such a clear infringment on Regional Rights?

An equal amount of DA and RPP Senators voiced support. One each. That is hardly representative of either party.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I'd like to know know the Regional Protection Party can support such a clear infringment on Regional Rights?

The RPP's main goal is the protection of personal freedom which normally means a lack of intrusion from the federal government.  However, this issue cannot be left up to the regions as of the dire consequences to one's life if left unchecked

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I'd like to know know the Regional Protection Party can support such a clear infringment on Regional Rights?

The chairman strongly opposes this bill. I'm pro-choice anyway, but this is a clear infringement on the rights of the regions.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I'd like to know know the Regional Protection Party can support such a clear infringment on Regional Rights?

The RPP's main goal is the protection of personal freedom which normally means a lack of intrusion from the federal government.  However, this issue cannot be left up to the regions as of the dire consequences to one's life if left unchecked

Who's life is at stake? A fetus is hardly a human being, and I think that has been proven by science over and over again. If a region wishes to ban abortion, then let them, but in no way should the federal government pass a law doing such.

[Marokai Backbeat]

I'm very strongly in favor of the best and most comprehensive sex education possible....

Perhaps we should discuss a possible compromise though.....and reject the motion to table now to allow for further debate?

Compromise? What the hell? On this bill?

You don't need to compromise on everything to make everyone happy Franzl, take a stand.

This bill will never have my vote, no matter what amendments you make to it or glitter you throw at it.

[Franzl]

I'm very strongly in favor of the best and most comprehensive sex education possible....

Perhaps we should discuss a possible compromise though.....and reject the motion to table now to allow for further debate?

Compromise? What the hell? On this bill?

You don't need to compromise on everything to make everyone happy Franzl, take a stand.

This bill will never have my vote, no matter what amendments you make to it or glitter you throw at it.

Now wait a minute. Not once did I ever say I was open to banning abortion, far from it actually. My stand is perfectly clear, abortion should be legal and rare.

By compromise...I meant certain restrictions on abortion, like mandatory advice from a doctor before going through with it....or possible restrictions in the last trimester (but Ebowed just made clear that that's already a non-issue).

[Marokai Backbeat]

I don't see the point, myself. People know abortions are serious business, I doubt the doctor would just invite them in without letting them know of any possible complications, and almost all abortions happen within the first month or two of pregnancy. Anything further seems, to me, like restrictions just so we can point to having made them.

The battle against abortion should be waged through education and prevention. I don't see any point to tinkering with this issue a little except for political points.

[Franzl]

Alright, I'll put something about abortion education in my sex ed program.

Changing my vote on the motion to table to AYE.

[Hash]

Pro-life vs. pro-choice aside, why the hell should this be a federal issue? Give this to the regions so they have something useful or interesting to do for once.

[Badger]

Pro-life vs. pro-choice aside, why the hell should this be a federal issue? Give this to the regions so they have something useful or interesting to do for once.

Because the overriding fundamental issues of fetal viability and womens' right (or lack thereof) to terminate a pregnancy should not be subject to 50 different state laws or even five different regional laws. Besides, federal law currently in effect trumps most regional laws other than those that tinker at the edges of regulation (e.g. requiring waiting periods, etc).

[HappyWarrior]

Pro-life vs. pro-choice aside, why the hell should this be a federal issue? Give this to the regions so they have something useful or interesting to do for once.

This is my view on the issue.

[Lief 🗽]

This should be a federal issue because regressive regions should not be allowed to curtail the rights of women to have control over their own bodies.

[Marokai Backbeat]

This should be a federal issue because regressive regions should not be allowed to curtail the rights of women to have control over their own bodies.

I concur, we should protect at least basic abortion rights on the federal level.

[Alexander Hamilton]

This should be a federal issue because regressive regions should not be allowed to curtail the rights of women to have control over their own bodies.

Or their future child's body.

[Purple State]

This should be a federal issue because regressive regions should not be allowed to curtail the rights of women to have control over their own bodies.

This, I believe, is why no RPP member should want the current bill to make abortion rights a federal issue. The second it does, this bill will be flipped into the reverse.

As a proponent of some form of regional rights, I feel strongly that this should be tabled.

[Alexander Hamilton]

This should be a federal issue because regressive regions should not be allowed to curtail the rights of women to have control over their own bodies.

This, I believe, is why no RPP member should want the current bill to make abortion rights a federal issue. The second it does, this bill will be flipped into the reverse.

As a proponent of some form of regional rights, I feel strongly that this should be tabled.

Alright. let's have regional governments decide if murder is a crime or not. In that case, abolish the fed altogether.

[Ebowed]

Alright. let's have regional governments decide if murder is a crime or not. In that case, abolish the fed altogether.

I've seen you make this argument far too many times.

Murder and abortion are only interchangeable terms if you believe that the fetus is a human life equal to that of someone who has been born.  Such an assumption is only valid if you are talking to a group of, well, pro-lifers.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Alright. let's have regional governments decide if murder is a crime or not. In that case, abolish the fed altogether.

I've seen you make this argument far too many times.

Murder and abortion are only interchangeable terms if you believe that the fetus is a human life equal to that of someone who has been born.  Such an assumption is only valid if you are talking to a group of, well, pro-lifers.

But you have to put people's views in perspective. Obviously, if Tmthforu or DWTL believe that, they're not going to consider murder as a "regional right." Many people do believe that and it does not make them hypocrites.

[Ebowed]

But you have to put people's views in perspective.

Which, ironically enough, you are not doing.

Anyway, by all means make abortion a federal issue.  Lief is right.  The Southeast's backwards abortion policy should be changed immediately.

Women should have the right to reproductive autonomy no matter where they live in Atlasia.