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[Lief 🗽]

NC Yank, have you been on the internet recently? Teenagers looking at porn is as easy as a google image search. You don't even have to click the links (though those tiny thumbnails are hardly stimulating).

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

NC Yank, have you been on the internet recently? Teenagers looking at porn is as easy as a google image search. You don't even have to click the links (though those tiny thumbnails are hardly stimulating).

I haven't been online since 2007. The posted information you get comes telepathically from my mind. I think we should require computer manufacturers to place parental controls in computers like Televisions do.

Unless someone can prove harm done by allowing this, I'd advise you all to move on. No reason to come across as backward reactionaries unless you absolutely must.

Oh so now its modern and the in thing to let our children view out an out trash just so you can have your porn?

First of all, I'm almost 19.

Secondly, the "trash" comment is entirely subjective.

Thirdly, you still haven't proved that it's harmful.

Its trash.

Its harmful because I beleive it to be trash.

Sorry, I keep forgetting you don't have any morals or standards at all.

[Rowan]

This bill is SMUT.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You could always ban advertising of it while making it legal, you know. It isn't as though children will be buying or viewing the stuff anyway, and it's not like you can stop the teenagers.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You could always ban advertising of it while making it legal, you know. It isn't as though children will be buying or viewing the stuff anyway, and it's not like you can stop the teenagers.

I have devoted my teenage years to stopping other teenagers from stupidity with moderate success levels. I now how to stop teenagers, I have made it my passion. I have created lots of enemies doing this and pissed a lot of people off, but its the only thing that I have done where I feel good about it as an achievement. First off Gov't has to get on the side of the parents and not teenagers, that is non-negotiable.

[Marokai Backbeat]

You could always ban advertising of it while making it legal, you know. It isn't as though children will be buying or viewing the stuff anyway, and it's not like you can stop the teenagers.

I have devoted my teenage years to stopping other teenagers from stupidity with moderate success levels. I now how to stop teenagers, I have made it my passion. I have created lots of enemies doing this and pissed a lot of people off, but its the only thing that I have done where I feel good about it as an achievement. First off Gov't has to get on the side of the parents and not teenagers, that is non-negotiable.

There is no harm in such a thing. We're not encouraging teenage drug use. I don't know what Pat Robertson-led dystopia you fly off to at night, but this is Atlasia, not some sort of fundamentalist society.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You could always ban advertising of it while making it legal, you know. It isn't as though children will be buying or viewing the stuff anyway, and it's not like you can stop the teenagers.

I have devoted my teenage years to stopping other teenagers from stupidity with moderate success levels. I now how to stop teenagers, I have made it my passion. I have created lots of enemies doing this and pissed a lot of people off, but its the only thing that I have done where I feel good about it as an achievement. First off Gov't has to get on the side of the parents and not teenagers, that is non-negotiable.

There is no harm in such a thing. We're not encouraging teenage drug use. I don't know what Pat Robertson-led dystopia you fly off to at night, but this is Atlasia, not some sort of fundamentalist society.

I actually could care less about Pat Robertson as I really am rather secular and haven't read more then a few pages of the bible. Haven't been to church except once for a funeral.

[Purple State]

So, now Senate debate has come here. Odd reversal but whatever works for you guys.

[MaxQue]

By the way, I don't think than the government job is to enforce and make laws about morality.

Both sides can still try to convince me. NCY, stop rambling about morality, you won't convince anyone by insulting your opponents and living in an alternate reality.

[Franzl]

It's shocking that NCYankee hates freedom so much.

[Hash]

In a change from this little debate, I'd just like to thank PS for taking up on my idea without requiring me to continue work on my bill!

[Antonio the Sixth]

Great idea. Will follow it regularly when I'll be less busy.

[DownWithTheLeft]

Why are we adding cabinet positions?  Let's face it, the ones we have are do nothing jobs right now, we don't need more.  One thing we could do is what I have proposed numerous times and suggested for years, and that is making cabinet positions elected offices

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

To start off in my effort to prove how damaging pornography is, I found this article very insightful.

http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/1996/07/13/is-pornography-harmless/

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[Marokai Backbeat]

Wait until the debate thread officially opens, and I'll be happy to deal with your nonsense from the bible scholar you cited.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Wait until the debate thread officially opens, and I'll be happy to deal with your nonsense from the bible scholar you cited.

What does that have to do with anything? He cited specific examples as proof. You can't deny what the "experts" he quoted said, one of whom is a libertarian who believes that Porn should be an exception to the philosphy of anarchy that is Libertarianism. You also kind deny the statistics from Australia and Japan.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Wait until the debate thread officially opens, and I'll be happy to deal with your nonsense from the bible scholar you cited.

[Lief 🗽]

For the record, I'm vetoing anything that tries to legislate ultra-puritan moral values.

[Associate Justice PiT]

Wait until the debate thread officially opens, and I'll be happy to deal with your nonsense from the bible scholar you cited.

What does that have to do with anything? He cited specific examples as proof. You can't deny what the "experts" he quoted said, one of whom is a libertarian who believes that Porn should be an exception to the philosphy of anarchy that is Libertarianism. You also kind deny the statistics from Australia and Japan.

     So since you have found one Libertarian saying that porn should be outlawed, you have disproven any notion that violent porn should be legal, eh? I should point out that he isn't much of a libertarian if he doesn't think the individual can take responsibility for his own actions.

[MaxQue]

Sorry, I don't trust some radical Christian-Muslim blog. We all know than that would not be the first time than they use only the statistics than goes on their side and rejecting those who are going on the other side.

Perhaps you are right too, but I don't trust that source.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Wait until the debate thread officially opens, and I'll be happy to deal with your nonsense from the bible scholar you cited.

What does that have to do with anything? He cited specific examples as proof. You can't deny what the "experts" he quoted said, one of whom is a libertarian who believes that Porn should be an exception to the philosphy of anarchy that is Libertarianism. You also kind deny the statistics from Australia and Japan.

     So since you have found one Libertarian saying that porn should be outlawed, you have disproven any notion that violent porn should be legal, eh? I should point out that he isn't much of a libertarian if he doesn't think the individual can take responsibility for his own actions.

Your right he is not much of a Libertarian cause he still has a brain unlike most of those nuts yourself included.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You could always ban advertising of it while making it legal, you know. It isn't as though children will be buying or viewing the stuff anyway, and it's not like you can stop the teenagers.

I have devoted my teenage years to stopping other teenagers from stupidity with moderate success levels. I now how to stop teenagers, I have made it my passion. I have created lots of enemies doing this and pissed a lot of people off, but its the only thing that I have done where I feel good about it as an achievement. First off Gov't has to get on the side of the parents and not teenagers, that is non-negotiable.

That's insane. Look, I don't like pornography either, but there are certain things that you can't legislate against and expect any success. Legislating against it presumably just increases the whole forbidden fruits aspect of its appeal. And, as I wrote earlier, it isn't as though children (defining "child", wrongly, as pre-puberty) will be buying it anyway.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You could always ban advertising of it while making it legal, you know. It isn't as though children will be buying or viewing the stuff anyway, and it's not like you can stop the teenagers.

I have devoted my teenage years to stopping other teenagers from stupidity with moderate success levels. I now how to stop teenagers, I have made it my passion. I have created lots of enemies doing this and pissed a lot of people off, but its the only thing that I have done where I feel good about it as an achievement. First off Gov't has to get on the side of the parents and not teenagers, that is non-negotiable.

That's insane. Look, I don't like pornography either, but there are certain things that you can't legislate against and expect any success. Legislating against it presumably just increases the whole forbidden fruits aspect of its appeal. And, as I wrote earlier, it isn't as though children (defining "child", wrongly, as pre-puberty) will be buying it anyway.

I am not the one doing the legislating here, my friend. This is Marokai's bill to expand access to pornography, its not as if I introduce a bill to ban it entirely. I don't have this lack of faith in prohibtion style laws. If committed any law can be enforced.

[Associate Justice PiT]

You could always ban advertising of it while making it legal, you know. It isn't as though children will be buying or viewing the stuff anyway, and it's not like you can stop the teenagers.

I have devoted my teenage years to stopping other teenagers from stupidity with moderate success levels. I now how to stop teenagers, I have made it my passion. I have created lots of enemies doing this and pissed a lot of people off, but its the only thing that I have done where I feel good about it as an achievement. First off Gov't has to get on the side of the parents and not teenagers, that is non-negotiable.

That's insane. Look, I don't like pornography either, but there are certain things that you can't legislate against and expect any success. Legislating against it presumably just increases the whole forbidden fruits aspect of its appeal. And, as I wrote earlier, it isn't as though children (defining "child", wrongly, as pre-puberty) will be buying it anyway.

I am not the one doing the legislating here, my friend. This is Marokai's bill to expand access to pornography, its not as if I introduce a bill to ban it entirely. I don't have this lack of faith in prohibtion style laws. If committed any law can be enforced.

     What if the law backfires, as happened with Prohibition?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You could always ban advertising of it while making it legal, you know. It isn't as though children will be buying or viewing the stuff anyway, and it's not like you can stop the teenagers.

I have devoted my teenage years to stopping other teenagers from stupidity with moderate success levels. I now how to stop teenagers, I have made it my passion. I have created lots of enemies doing this and pissed a lot of people off, but its the only thing that I have done where I feel good about it as an achievement. First off Gov't has to get on the side of the parents and not teenagers, that is non-negotiable.

That's insane. Look, I don't like pornography either, but there are certain things that you can't legislate against and expect any success. Legislating against it presumably just increases the whole forbidden fruits aspect of its appeal. And, as I wrote earlier, it isn't as though children (defining "child", wrongly, as pre-puberty) will be buying it anyway.

I am not the one doing the legislating here, my friend. This is Marokai's bill to expand access to pornography, its not as if I introduce a bill to ban it entirely. I don't have this lack of faith in prohibtion style laws. If committed any law can be enforced.

     What if the law backfires, as happened with Prohibition?

Prohibition backfired cause the public and gov't were not committed to enforcement. I do oppose the re-prohibtion of alcohol though.