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« on: September 14, 2009, 07:44:10 AM »
« edited: September 18, 2009, 09:31:51 AM by Nine-Fingered Frodo »

I just happened to see this question in this morning's Express (shorter version of the Washington Post distributed to Metro riders).  Funny, because I was thinking about it all weekend after the anti-Obama protests on the Mall on Saturday, in which the overwhelming majority of the participants were white. 
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2009, 07:49:51 AM »

I don't think so, they'd be acting just as crazily if Hillary were President.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2009, 09:28:11 AM »

It is certainly a factor with some of them, but as Franzl says, they'd be just as embarrassing if it was Hillary.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2009, 11:06:22 AM »

Sure, with some.
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« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2009, 11:12:19 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2009, 11:17:23 AM »

No (sane).
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« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2009, 11:18:11 AM »

To an extent, but not for all of them. A lot of it also has to do with the marvelous way in which American conservatism promotes groupthink: many of them probably don't know why they oppose Obama, except that they're supposed to.

Now, I agree with them on many things, but I feel no love whatsoever for the Tea Party rabble. It's just another attempt by conservatives to pretend that they are populists.
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« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2009, 11:22:34 AM »

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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2009, 11:27:08 AM »


Respectfully, that's not even logical.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2009, 11:48:21 AM »

of course, though it's not a factor for many of them, nor is it the primary factor for most.
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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2009, 11:49:19 AM »

I love how Libertas voted 'No', as if he knew every Tea Partier on an individual basis.

Or maybe he was making a collective assumption?
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« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2009, 03:58:16 PM »

I don't think so, they'd be acting just as crazily if Hillary were President.

Exactly.  Or John Kerry.  It might be classism, but it's not racism.
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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2009, 04:02:51 PM »

I don't think so, they'd be acting just as crazily if Hillary were President.

Exactly.  Or John Kerry.  It might be classism, but it's not racism.

I doubt I'd ever hear the word n with Hillary or Kerry, like I have with Obama.  Sure everyone gets lathered up for one reason or another no matter who is President, but Obama has an extra thing on his plate, even if in very small amounts......
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« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2009, 04:06:04 PM »


A small minority, I think.
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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2009, 04:09:47 PM »

I don't think so, they'd be acting just as crazily if Hillary were President.

Exactly.  Or John Kerry.  It might be classism, but it's not racism.

I doubt I'd ever hear the word n with Hillary or Kerry, like I have with Obama.  Sure everyone gets lathered up for one reason or another no matter who is President, but Obama has an extra thing on his plate, even if in very small amounts......

Yeah, GM -- I mean, I can see it the way Torie puts it.  Of course there are SOME righties who are bigots and therefore, they hate the President.  I am sure there are some Democrats who hate him for the same reason.  It's not like we're immune to hate or stupidity.

But Hillary would have the added problem of dealing with foes who hate her because she's a woman.  Kerry because he's "too bookish".  Maybe even some anti-Catholic bigotry would rear itself, though one must surely hope that ship sailed in 1960.

I dunno.  I just know I don't want to be some knee jerk liberal who screams "racist" everytime someone opposes my President.  Most of them are dumb enough without having to be considered racists, to boot.  But yes -- you and Torie both make a good point.  (as usual!)
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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2009, 04:33:16 PM »

No. Not the majority. Maybe 14% (which are white trash rednecks anyway) but the majority is not racist.
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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2009, 06:10:15 PM »

Yes, it is a factor. Not the determining factor, of course.
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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2009, 07:18:29 PM »

No, though certainly with some. My dad's a teabagger, and we have friends from different ethnic groups.
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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2009, 08:41:58 PM »

Is it a factor?  Sure - I'm sure there are some people out there who are racially motivated (as is going to be with any large group of people).  Is it a significant factor?  No.
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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2009, 10:33:33 PM »

Sure, with some.  We'd have different problems with Hillary though, but still the same concept.  This was a large part of my argument for Joe Biden.  As much as he says a lot of gaffes, you can't claim the "elite" card like you could Kerry, the "immoral Clinton" card like you could Hillary and of course the race card like you could with Obama.  However, Obama was the best of the rest which is why I supported a Biden/Obama ticket years ago.  Biden has the experience and plays very well to blue collar whites and Obama as VP would have had his feet wet by 2016 to run.  Biden will/should not run in 2016.
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« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2009, 10:53:33 AM »

I did note a teabagger sign the other day...

African Lion or Lyin' African...

And there is now a web site for Jolly Obama banks (a ripoff of the Jolly n cast iron banks that were so popular in the 1920's and 30's.)
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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2009, 11:18:52 AM »

It is the predominant and defining factor of american conservatism.
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« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2009, 07:15:27 PM »

It is the predominant and defining factor of american conservatism.
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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2009, 11:00:15 PM »

I did note a teabagger sign the other day...

African Lion or Lyin' African...

And there is now a web site for Jolly Obama banks (a ripoff of the Jolly n cast iron banks that were so popular in the 1920's and 30's.)

Of course, I feel like the tea baggers like to use race to advance their agenda.  Good ol' divide and conquer is back!  Liking the health plan= socialism or worse "n-lover".
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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2009, 11:10:38 PM »

Yes it is a factor.  Whatever the basis for ideological opposition, some of the opposition to President Obama is expressed in racist terms.  Frequently it is semi-veiled, such as this "birther" nonsense.  Occasionally it is blatant.
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