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« on: October 13, 2004, 09:52:43 PM »
Tie on the debate.
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2004, 09:54:01 PM »
makes sense
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2004, 09:54:13 PM »
38% R 30% D sample.
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2004, 09:55:50 PM »

Anyone have a link or know what the vote was among indies?
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2004, 09:56:37 PM »
I still don't like the question.

I prefer who improved their standing, not who won on points.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2004, 10:03:18 PM »
Given the rather large R advantage in the sample, one would have to assume Kerry won handily among independents in this poll.
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2004, 10:03:24 PM »
38% Republican, 30% Democrat sample.

Accomodate for the imbalance, and you got a measurable Kerry victory.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2004, 10:04:45 PM »

CNN reporting that Gallup flash poll comes out at 11:30.
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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2004, 10:15:43 PM »

CBS says Kerry won by 14%, 39-25.
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2004, 10:17:01 PM »
Duh. I would have said Kerry won too.

The point is, more people were persuaded by Bush.
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2004, 10:17:18 PM »

Why did CBS not release a poll for the second debate?  Anyone know or can I go conspiracy theory on it?
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2004, 10:18:55 PM »
Quote from: Relose to Bush on October 13, 2004, 10:17:01 PM
Duh. I would have said Kerry won too.

The point is, more people were persuaded by Bush.

So people said Kerry won, but they were more persuaded by Bush........oooooooooooook. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2004, 10:20:27 PM »

I wonder what the breakdown was of this poll.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2004, 10:21:23 PM »
Quote from: TheGiantSaguaro on October 13, 2004, 10:20:27 PM

I wonder what the breakdown was of this poll.

Not sure, but it's the same margin as CNN/Gallup has.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2004, 10:22:48 PM »
The CBS sample was composed solely of "persuadable voters",  not reflective of the overall likely voter population.  
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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2004, 10:23:21 PM »
If snap polls show only that slim of a margin, then it is most likely when the real polling is done, the margine will decrease to a tie.  
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2004, 10:28:03 PM »
Kerry won on style, and that will show up in the polls

Bush won on substance, and that will show up in the horserace numbers
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2004, 10:31:14 PM »
Again, why did CBS not do a focus group poll on the second debate?>  Or, if they did, why did they not release it?  And if they did release it, what was the result?
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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2004, 10:32:19 PM »
Quote from: Relose to Bush on October 13, 2004, 10:28:03 PM
Kerry won on style, and that will show up in the polls

Bush won on substance, and that will show up in the horserace numbers

Just like the last time "Kerry won on style, and Bush on substance"?

I think we all know the effect that _really_ had.
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2004, 10:34:41 PM »
Two different definitions of substance

Last time, it was the fact that Kerry's lines were empty and hollow - but they worked

This time, it's what Americans care about
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2004, 10:36:57 PM »
Bush on substance??? He is president and can't answer a question about flu vaccine shortage, and starts talking about "tort reform".  The "education" president??? He comes from Texas, one of the worst states for public education in the country.  Substance of Bush, is more like Busch Lite. Kerry=Guiness
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2004, 10:45:27 PM »
Quote from: DFLofMN on October 13, 2004, 10:36:57 PM
Bush on substance??? He is president and can't answer a question about flu vaccine shortage, and starts talking about "tort reform".  

That is incorrect:

"Bob, we relied upon a company out of England to provide about half of the flu vaccines for the United States citizen, and it turned out that the vaccine they were producing was contaminated. And so we took the right action and didn't allow contaminated medicine into our country."

"We're working with Canada to hopefully -- that they'll produce a -- help us realize the vaccine necessary to make sure our citizens have got flu vaccinations during this upcoming season."

"The CDC, responsible for health in the United States, is setting those priorities and is allocating the flu vaccine accordingly."

He explained it clearly.  The Brittish vaccine was proved to be flawed, and therefore barred from being shipped into the US.  This is why we have the CDC, to test both domestic and foreign drugs, and this is why we don't freely import many of these drugs from Canada which Kerry and the activists are crying foul over.  Same reason why we barred RU-486 for such the longest time (for example).
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2004, 11:34:13 PM »
Republicans here were saying Bush won on substance in the first debate too. *snicker*
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2004, 11:35:07 PM »
Quote from: Relose to Bush on October 13, 2004, 10:34:41 PM
Two different definitions of substance

Last time, it was the fact that Kerry's lines were empty and hollow - but they worked

This time, it's what Americans care about
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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2004, 11:58:24 AM »
Quote from: Defarge on October 13, 2004, 10:03:24 PM
38% Republican, 30% Democrat sample.

Accomodate for the imbalance, and you got a measurable Kerry victory.

Yes, Kerry won. I knew he would fifteen minutes into the debate. Bush did well though, I won't deny him that.

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