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« on: September 01, 2009, 02:45:32 PM »

70 years ago today, Germany invaded Poland, and officially kicked off the start of WWII.  Hard to believe it's been that long, eh?
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2009, 04:04:23 PM »

Indeed, esspecially for those who are lives there and were growing up listening a stories of their grandfathers, who actually witnessed the war and even participated in

Thanks for memory, Ben Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2009, 05:56:59 PM »

70 years ago today, Germany invaded Poland, and officially kicked off the start of WWII.  Hard to believe it's been that long, eh?

yes indeed and all brought to you by appeasement.  For a defanition of this term see also barack hussein osama
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2009, 05:58:33 PM »

Coburn, you do realize it was the GOP that kept us from getting involved earlier, right?
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2009, 06:03:39 PM »

Coburn, you do realize it was the GOP that kept us from getting involved earlier, right?

Stop using facts!
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2009, 06:12:19 PM »

Coburn, you do realize it was the GOP that kept us from getting involved earlier, right?

Actually, that is not at all a fair assessment.  There were many Democrat isolationist, and the GOP eventually ended up running an internationalist candidate (Willkie) against FDR.
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2009, 06:14:22 PM »

Coburn, you do realize it was the GOP that kept us from getting involved earlier, right?

Actually, that is not at all a fair assessment.  There were many Democrat isolationist, and the GOP eventually ended up running an internationalist candidate (Willkie) against FDR.

True, but let's not forget a fellow named William Borah.
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2009, 06:15:50 PM »

Coburn, you do realize it was the GOP that kept us from getting involved earlier, right?

Actually, that is not at all a fair assessment.  There were many Democrat isolationist, and the GOP eventually ended up running an internationalist candidate (Willkie) against FDR.

True, but let's not forget a fellow named William Borah.

And let's not forget a fellow named John Nance Garner, either.  We can play this game all day.
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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2009, 06:17:47 PM »

Coburn, you do realize it was the GOP that kept us from getting involved earlier, right?

Actually, that is not at all a fair assessment.  There were many Democrat isolationist, and the GOP eventually ended up running an internationalist candidate (Willkie) against FDR.

True, but let's not forget a fellow named William Borah.

And let's not forget a fellow named John Nance Garner, either.  We can play this game all day.

Garner was Vice President by 1938; hardly as important as Borah.
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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2009, 06:22:04 PM »

Coburn, you do realize it was the GOP that kept us from getting involved earlier, right?

Actually, that is not at all a fair assessment.  There were many Democrat isolationist, and the GOP eventually ended up running an internationalist candidate (Willkie) against FDR.

True, but let's not forget a fellow named William Borah.

And let's not forget a fellow named John Nance Garner, either.  We can play this game all day.

Garner was Vice President by 1938; hardly as important as Borah.

Regardless of what anyone says, there is no way that the Treaty of Versailles or the League of Nations prevents another global war, regardless of U.S. involvement.  People who argue that are both ignoring that facts, and ridiculously idealistic.  The West had no interest in moving out of its decadence in the 1930's.  Period.  End of story.
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2009, 06:24:14 PM »

Coburn, do you realize there's a huge difference between not willing to getting any deeper into an unneccesary wars which have no relations with national interests (vide Iraq) and fighting someone like Hitler?
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2009, 06:25:40 PM »

Stupid argument. Regardless of what Bob Dole said or did not say, WWII was not a "Democrat war". There were horrible people on both sides (Joe Kennedy springs to mind).
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2009, 06:30:21 PM »

Stupid argument. Regardless of what Bob Dole said or did not say, WWII was not a "Democrat war". There were horrible people on both sides (Joe Kennedy springs to mind).

Hi! I'm Bob Dole. An disabled veteran of the Democratic War!
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« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2009, 11:51:46 PM »

It's hard to believe that six years of hell began 70 years ago today.
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« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2009, 12:10:11 AM »

It was only the European Theater that started 70 years ago.  July 7, 1937 (when the fighting began in earnest in the Pacific Theater) and December 8, 1941 (when the fight between the two theaters merged into one fight) both have better claims to being considered the start date of World War II.
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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2009, 12:15:25 AM »

Coburn, you do realize it was the GOP that kept us from getting involved earlier, right?

Actually, that is not at all a fair assessment.  There were many Democrat isolationist, and the GOP eventually ended up running an internationalist candidate (Willike) against FDR.

True, but let's not forget a fellow named William Borah.

I liked William Borah.

Then he got all anti-WW2.
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2009, 12:53:28 AM »

It was only the European Theater that started 70 years ago.  July 7, 1937 (when the fighting began in earnest in the Pacific Theater) and December 8, 1941 (when the fight between the two theaters merged into one fight) both have better claims to being considered the start date of World War II.
100% agree.  We still live in a VERY Eurocentric world.
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« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2009, 07:47:55 AM »
« Edited: September 02, 2009, 07:49:26 AM by Einzige »

The World War began on July 28, 1914. This separation of the same conflict into two different wars has always struck me as being pointless - "this is not a peace treaty, it is an armistice for twenty years." Moreover, all of the smaller European wars that took place in the 'interwar' period - the Spanish Civil War, Abyssinia, etc. - are basically also continuations of the First World War, and have their roots directly in the aftermath of the Armistice.
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2009, 07:50:20 AM »

The World War began on July 28, 1914. This separation of the same conflict into two different wars has always struck me as being pointless - "this is not a peace treaty, it is an armistice for twenty years." Moreover, all of the smaller European wars that took place in the 'interwar' period - the Spanish Civil War, Abyssinia, etc. - are basically also continuations of the First World War, and have their roots directly in the aftermath of the Armistice.

A words of Marshal Foch
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« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2009, 07:52:54 AM »

The World War began on July 28, 1914. This separation of the same conflict into two different wars has always struck me as being pointless - "this is not a peace treaty, it is an armistice for twenty years." Moreover, all of the smaller European wars that took place in the 'interwar' period - the Spanish Civil War, Abyssinia, etc. - are basically also continuations of the First World War, and have their roots directly in the aftermath of the Armistice.

A words of Marshal Foch

Yeah. I've never especially appreciated the fact that World War I is basically shunted to the backburner in any discussion of the last century of history, particularly when I find it to be the most interesting era of the last century: rather than a simplistic conflict of absolute good versus absolute evil (in the popular mind, at any rate) as World War II is, one actually has to know a little something to understand its predecessor. Moreover, it gave rise to perhaps the most culturally fertile and culturally bold period in European history - Weimar Germany.
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« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2009, 05:06:08 PM »

The World War began on July 28, 1914. This separation of the same conflict into two different wars has always struck me as being pointless - "this is not a peace treaty, it is an armistice for twenty years." Moreover, all of the smaller European wars that took place in the 'interwar' period - the Spanish Civil War, Abyssinia, etc. - are basically also continuations of the First World War, and have their roots directly in the aftermath of the Armistice.

A words of Marshal Foch

Yeah. I've never especially appreciated the fact that World War I is basically shunted to the backburner in any discussion of the last century of history, particularly when I find it to be the most interesting era of the last century: rather than a simplistic conflict of absolute good versus absolute evil (in the popular mind, at any rate) as World War II is, one actually has to know a little something to understand its predecessor. Moreover, it gave rise to perhaps the most culturally fertile and culturally bold period in European history - Weimar Germany.

Hey that's why Star Wars is so popular... and the Lord of the Rings movies. And the Iraq war (at least in the beginning, when it was still popular in the U.S.). No shades of grey please! It tends to confuse people.
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