Dirty South September Initiatives Thread

[Daniel Adams]

To be held the third week of September. All citizens are welcome to propose initiatives and debate on them.

[SPC]

End to Fractional Reserve Banking Act
All banks operating in the Dirty South shall be required to have 100% reserves for all demand deposits by September 2010.


End to Income Taxation Act
Section 1: All personal income taxes in the Dirty South are repealed.
Section 2: All corporate income taxes in the Dirty South are repealed.


Road Management Act
Section 1: Regional roads in the Dirty South shall be auctioned off to the highest bidder.
Section 2: All money collected from roads sold shall be refuned to taxpayers.
Section 3: Taxes for road maintenance and construction shall be lowered in proportioned with the percent of roads sold.

[Marokai Backbeat]

End to Fractional Reserve Banking Act
All banks operating in the Dirty South shall be required to have 100% reserves for all demand deposits


End to Income Taxation Act
Section 1: All personal income taxes in the Dirty South are repealed.
Section 2: All corporate income taxes in the Dirty South are repealed.

Thankfully I think most people in the South are smarter than this.

[SPC]

I'm glad the ignore button exists.

[DownWithTheLeft]

I'll sign them all as well as re-propose the legislature just in case

[Daniel Adams]

I sign and heartily endorse SPC's proposals.
X Gov. Daniel Adams

According to the GM, our region has a budget deficit, so perhaps we could craft an initiative to use the "stimulus" money to close our deficit rather than wasting it on schemes that expand government.

[SPC]

Killing Two Birds With One Stone Act
Section 1: All money given to the Dirty South in the 2009 Atlasian Recovery & Relief Act shall be burned in a public ceromony.
Section 2: Tickets shall be sold for seats at the event, which will be used to raise money for the Dirty South while still maintaining a low tax burden.

[Vepres]

Killing Two Birds With One Stone Act
All money given to the Dirty South in the 2009 Atlasian Recovery & Relief Act shall be burned in a public ceremony.

Oooooh, will there be tribal dancing around the fire.

[Lief 🗽]

Killing Two Birds With One Stone Act
Section 1: All money given to the Dirty South in the 2009 Atlasian Recovery & Relief Act shall be burned in a public ceromony.
Section 2: Tickets shall be sold for seats at the event, which will be used to raise money for the Dirty South while still maintaining a low tax burden.

Didn't the region just reject similar (but much less ridiculous) legislation?

[Daniel Adams]

Killing Two Birds With One Stone Act
Section 1: All money given to the Dirty South in the 2009 Atlasian Recovery & Relief Act shall be burned in a public ceromony.
Section 2: Tickets shall be sold for seats at the event, which will be used to raise money for the Dirty South while still maintaining a low tax burden.

X Gov. Daniel Adams

[Marokai Backbeat]

I see the Southeast still seems intent on fashioning itself after some third-world hellhole.

[Badger]

End to Fractional Reserve Banking Act
All banks operating in the Dirty South shall be required to have 100% reserves for all demand deposits


End to Income Taxation Act
Section 1: All personal income taxes in the Dirty South are repealed.
Section 2: All corporate income taxes in the Dirty South are repealed.


Road Management Act
Section 1: Regional roads in the Dirty South shall be auctioned off to the highest bidder.
Section 2: All money collected from roads sold shall be refuned to taxpayers.
Section 3: Taxes for road maintenance and construction shall be lowered in proportioned with the percent of roads sold.

Oh. My. God.

I'm no banking expert, but I believe most banks have historically kept only between 10 to 20 percent reserves. This drags banking back to literally PRE-19th century standards.I'll consider introducing legislation in the Mideast to prepare for the refugees from DS when your banking system literally collapses overnight dragging down the entire region economy with it.

Repealing all income taxes is a great idea! So....how much are you going to raise property and/or sales taxes to make of the lost revenue? Oh, sorry--I forgot all taxes are bad (but not as bad as income taxes obviously). How many cops and prison guards will you lay off? Park rangers? Teachers and college professors at state schools? Or will you be making up the difference with the old conservative standby: "eliminating wasteful spending!"?

Oh wait, you're going to make money (this year) by turning every regional road into a toll road. I'm sure your state will actively enforce antitrust and anti-competition measures against private companies that buy up every feasible route between major cities and gouge the holy hell out of consumers and businesses wanting to use their roads, right? Oh wait, that goes against the libertarian idea of a "free market".

You know, the fact that every baron and lord exacted tolls along every part of a merchant's path so hindered trade that kingdoms established King's highways and the like, or at least limited local tolls to encourage trade. This proposal isn't just conservative, it's literally pre-free markets medieval.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Badger! Hello friend, where were you during the election

[Badger]

Badger! Hello friend, where were you during the election

D'OH! I shamefacedly admit I didn't know when the election was exactly, but figured I'm on all the time and the elections last a few days. So of course I get swamped at work Friday and leave straight from there for a family weekend away and didn't get back until late Sunday. Man was my face red yesterday morning!

I already apologized to bgwah for fing up, as I do now to all the JCP candidates (who fortunately won anyway) and will try hard not to do so again.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Badger! Hello friend, where were you during the election

D'OH! I shamefacedly admit I didn't know when the election was exactly, but figured I'm on all the time and the elections last a few days. So of course I get swamped at work Friday and leave straight from there for a family weekend away and didn't get back until late Sunday. Man was my face red yesterday morning!

I already apologized to bgwah for fing up, as I do now to all the JCP candidates (who fortunately won anyway) and will try hard not to do so again.

No worries.

[Associate Justice PiT]

End to Fractional Reserve Banking Act
All banks operating in the Dirty South shall be required to have 100% reserves for all demand deposits

Oh. My. God.

I'm no banking expert, but I believe most banks have historically kept only between 10 to 20 percent reserves. This drags banking back to literally PRE-19th century standards.I'll consider introducing legislation in the Mideast to prepare for the refugees from DS when your banking system literally collapses overnight dragging down the entire region economy with it.

     I would also like to point out that regulating the activities of banks in such a fashion is really not a libertarian thing to do at all. I don't know why SPC would propose an initiative like that.

[SPC]

End to Fractional Reserve Banking Act
All banks operating in the Dirty South shall be required to have 100% reserves for all demand deposits

Oh. My. God.

I'm no banking expert, but I believe most banks have historically kept only between 10 to 20 percent reserves. This drags banking back to literally PRE-19th century standards.I'll consider introducing legislation in the Mideast to prepare for the refugees from DS when your banking system literally collapses overnight dragging down the entire region economy with it.

     I would also like to point out that regulating the activities of banks in such a fashion is really not a libertarian thing to do at all. I don't know why SPC would propose an initiative like that.

Protecting people from fraud is a libertarian thing to do. This would only affect demand despoits; time deposits could have any amount of money in reserve as the bank chooses

[Associate Justice PiT]

End to Fractional Reserve Banking Act
All banks operating in the Dirty South shall be required to have 100% reserves for all demand deposits

Oh. My. God.

I'm no banking expert, but I believe most banks have historically kept only between 10 to 20 percent reserves. This drags banking back to literally PRE-19th century standards.I'll consider introducing legislation in the Mideast to prepare for the refugees from DS when your banking system literally collapses overnight dragging down the entire region economy with it.

     I would also like to point out that regulating the activities of banks in such a fashion is really not a libertarian thing to do at all. I don't know why SPC would propose an initiative like that.

Protecting people from fraud is a libertarian thing to do. This would only affect demand despoits; time deposits could have any amount of money in reserve as the bank chooses

     Protecting people from fraud is plenty libertarian, though I am not sure about doing it in this way. Perhaps it would be better to give banks the option to apply for an official "100% demand deposit reserve guaranteed" status, which they could then advertise to prospective customers.

[Badger]

End to Fractional Reserve Banking Act
All banks operating in the Dirty South shall be required to have 100% reserves for all demand deposits

Oh. My. God.

I'm no banking expert, but I believe most banks have historically kept only between 10 to 20 percent reserves. This drags banking back to literally PRE-19th century standards.I'll consider introducing legislation in the Mideast to prepare for the refugees from DS when your banking system literally collapses overnight dragging down the entire region economy with it.

     I would also like to point out that regulating the activities of banks in such a fashion is really not a libertarian thing to do at all. I don't know why SPC would propose an initiative like that.

Protecting people from fraud is a libertarian thing to do. This would only affect demand despoits; time deposits could have any amount of money in reserve as the bank chooses

     Protecting people from fraud is plenty libertarian, though I am not sure about doing it in this way. Perhaps it would be better to give banks the option to apply for an official "100% demand deposit reserve guaranteed" status, which they could then advertise to prospective customers.

I'm missing the distinction between this proposal and SPC's, PiT. Can you elaborate?

[John Dibble]

I'd like to thank the people of the Southeast for giving me silly new powers and titles to use in court - I'm happy enough about it to forgive you for not voting to build my absurdly large moment, even though I deserve it.

Anywho, on to new initiatives. Given that we've had people putting the same or damn near similar legislation up for vote recently even after they fail and it's been causing no end of hubub, I'm gonna propose this amendment:

Nay Means Nay Amendment
The following shall be added to Article II of the Southeast Constitution:

3) Any initiative that fails in an Initiative election shall not be allowed on the ballot again without significant revision for the next two monthly Initiative elections. Also, no such initiative shall qualify for emergency Initiative election. In the event that there is contention as to whether revisions are significant or there is believed to be a compelling reason for an exception, citizens may make an appeal to the Magistrate to decide whether or not to let a failed initiative on the ballot.

[Purple State]

No Means No Amendment
The following shall be added to Article II of the Southeast Constitution:

3) Any initiative that fails in an Initiative election shall not be allowed on the ballot again without significant revision for the next two Initiative elections. In the event that there is contention as to whether revisions are significant or there is believed to be a pressing need for an exception, citizens may make an appeal to the Magistrate to decide whether or not to let a failed initiative on the ballot.

I think that is a good idea Dibble. Perhaps simply say it may not be brought to a vote in an initiative or emergency initiative election for two months. That way you prevent repeated use of emergency initiatives to get it through the "next two Initiative elections" problem.

[John Dibble]

No Means No Amendment
The following shall be added to Article II of the Southeast Constitution:

3) Any initiative that fails in an Initiative election shall not be allowed on the ballot again without significant revision for the next two Initiative elections. In the event that there is contention as to whether revisions are significant or there is believed to be a pressing need for an exception, citizens may make an appeal to the Magistrate to decide whether or not to let a failed initiative on the ballot.

I think that is a good idea Dibble. Perhaps simply say it may not be brought to a vote in an initiative or emergency initiative election for two months. That way you prevent repeated use of emergency initiatives to get it through the "next two Initiative elections" problem.

Good point. I've made edits for those considerations.

[DownWithTheLeft]

There are certainly the votes to vote against the Dirty South denying its voters the right to pass iniatives, but I'll sign it anyway because the more votes the better

X DWTL

[Brandon H]

I suggest we look at reactivation of the Southeast Deficit Package Initiative:
https://uselectionatlas.org/AFEWIKI/index.php/Southeast_Deficit_Package_Initiative

End to Fractional Reserve Banking Act
All banks operating in the Dirty South shall be required to have 100% reserves for all demand deposits

I would suggest changing this to something along the lines of banks shall have 1 year (maybe longer) to come into compliance. Maybe something else like they would have 6 months to be at least 50%. At a minimum specify a time line for them to come into compliance.

[John Dibble]

There are certainly the votes to vote against the Dirty South denying its voters the right to pass iniatives, but I'll sign it anyway because the more votes the better

X DWTL

It's not so much denying the right of the voters to pass initiatives as preventing abuse of the initiative system so that failed initiatives aren't spammed onto the ballot repeatedly until there might be some election with low turn out where it happens to pass. Should my amendment pass any initiative could still show up on the ballot at least four times a year. Also, exceptions can be granted. I just changed the words "pressing need" to "compelling reason" to increase the broadness of that as well - if this passes and I'm still Magistrate, I would include a significant upswing in support for a previously failed initiative to be a compelling reason to allow an exception. (I wouldn't have considered it a "pressing need" though, hence why I changed the language)

The purpose of this amendment is to prevent abuse of the initiative process, not to restrict the citizens' rights to propose and vote on initiatives.