Opinion of the amendments (Amendment XII)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
May 01, 2024, 10:36:43 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  Political Debate (Moderator: Torie)
  Opinion of the amendments (Amendment XII)
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Poll
Question: The 12th Amendment
#1
Keep it
 
#2
Modify it
 
#3
Repeal it
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 23

Author Topic: Opinion of the amendments (Amendment XII)  (Read 1429 times)
Meeker
meekermariner
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,164


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: August 21, 2009, 01:38:19 AM »

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

1st Amendment: 93% Keep it, 7% Repeal it
2nd Amendment: 65% Keep it, 35% Repeal it
3rd Amendment: 94% Keep it, 6% Repeal it
4th Amendment: 96% Keep it, 4% Repeal it
5th Amendment: 94% Keep it, 6% Repeal it
6th Amendment: 92% Keep it, 8% Repeal it
7th Amendment: 71% Keep it, 21% Modify it, 8% Repeal it
8th Amendment: 81% Keep it, 13% Modify it, 6% Repeal it
9th Amendment: 74% Keep it, 26% Modify it, 0% Repeal it
10th Amendment: 59% Keep it, 18% Modify it, 23% Repeal it
11th Amendment: 80% Keep it, 20% Modify it, 0% Repeal it
Logged
Хahar 🤔
Xahar
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,708
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2009, 11:47:07 AM »

I've been spending the last week reading through the Senate debate on it. I'm now looking at the House debate.

Fun fact:

The electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;--The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;--the person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President. The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

The bolded was originally supposed to read "not exceeding five", and its change to three was viewed as OMG OMG ASSAULT ON FEDERALISM!!111

In a display of remarkable overdramatization that wouldn't play badly today, Senator Pierce Butler (R-SC) said, "Pass this Amendment, and no man can live in the small states but under disparaging circumstances; they will have about as many rights left in society as the Helots of Greece." Butler, of course, was probably a slaveholder.

Keep it.
Logged
Kaine for Senate '18
benconstine
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 30,329
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2009, 12:15:25 PM »

Keep It, although perhaps allow for the top 3 Vice Presidential candidates instead of the top 2.
Logged
True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
Ernest
Moderators
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 42,144
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2009, 01:01:57 PM »

Keep It, although perhaps allow for the top 3 Vice Presidential candidates instead of the top 2.

No, keeping it at the top 2 greatly reduces the chance of there being a double deadlock in both the House and Senate.
Logged
Хahar 🤔
Xahar
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 41,708
Bangladesh


Political Matrix
E: -6.77, S: 0.61

WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2009, 11:59:11 PM »

Bump. This is the one I care about, dammit.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.027 seconds with 13 queries.