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[politicaladdict]

If the reason is they removed prayer from public schools and religious symbols in the name of Separation of Religion and State, then why are we being taught evolution in school which most of this population doesn't believe in?

Public Schools might belong to the government but it's the people's tax money.

Why should government set up a belief system?

I mean, I thought IT WAS Separation of Religion and State and not suppose to infringe on people's beliefs. 

WHAT A BUNCH OF MARXIST HYPOCRITES!

[Kaine for Senate '18]

At least he spelled hypocrites correct this time.

[John Dibble]

Science is not a religion. The theory of evolution is a scientific idea, not a religious one. It is based upon observations of the natural world, not theology.

To say that teaching evolution is indoctrination is to say the same of teaching mathematics, physics, anatomy, chemistry, geology, astronomy, etc.

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BUNCH OF DAMN COMMIES

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Neil Postman, as per usual, got this spot on:

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[Free Palestine]

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Evolution is part of what religion's theology, again?

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Reminds me of an email I got from the American Fascism Family Association.  "It's bad, unless we do it."  In this case, they were talking about government involvement in people's lives.  Take a look at the bills they support in Congress, and they're pretty hypocritical.

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Have you even read anything by Marx?  Or do you just think liberals are Marxist because Rushy told you?

[Person Man]

Well. Science is based on the physical perseption of the world and religion is based on things that we cannot perceive with just 5 senses. Religion, as Vander Blubb of all people stated is simply another part of human sentience like Love and Justice. Basically, there is what man puts in him and then there is what man takes out of him. Science is the former and Religion is the latter. That doesn't mean that any of them aren't true.

[politicaladdict]

Science is not a religion. The theory of evolution is a scientific idea, not a religious one. It is based upon observations of the natural world, not theology.

To say that teaching evolution is indoctrination is to say the same of teaching mathematics, physics, anatomy, chemistry, geology, astronomy, etc.

Evolution is not the same as mathematics. Mathematics and physics is something men created to begin with, but evolution is trying to prove something that can be a variety of things, like you don't know what all dinosaurs looked like with just fossils, people just try to make a good guess.

A religion can be a value you devote yourself to. People put atheistic evolution above God because they don't believe in God. It may not always be organized religion(OH, WAIT! Marxist like to make a certain belief connected evolution... SOCIALISM!)

Isn't the whole idea that separation of religion and state is to not have the thinking of your belief around the whole school?

Religion, in many regards, is a personal opinion, although it makes less sense with no god.

But isn't evolution an opinion, and not a proven fact?

And even if it was fact, don't you think it's not good to PREACH your own belief, including evolution just because they say there's evidence?

[politicaladdict]

Well. Science is based on the physical perseption of the world and religion is based on things that we cannot perceive with just 5 senses. Religion, as Vander Blubb of all people stated is simply another part of human sentience like Love and Justice. Basically, there is what man puts in him and then there is what man takes out of him. Science is the former and Religion is the latter. That doesn't mean that any of them aren't true.

But even if it was true, wouldn't that still be putting your belief on someone else?

[Person Man]

Science is not a religion. The theory of evolution is a scientific idea, not a religious one. It is based upon observations of the natural world, not theology.

To say that teaching evolution is indoctrination is to say the same of teaching mathematics, physics, anatomy, chemistry, geology, astronomy, etc.

A religion can be a value you devote yourself to. People put atheistic evolution above God because they don't believe in God. It may not always be organized religion(OH, WAIT! Marxist like to make a certain belief connected evolution... SOCIALISM!)

Isn't the whole idea that separation of religion and state is to not have the thinking of your belief around the whole school?

Religion, in many regards, is a personal opinion, although it makes less sense with no god.

But isn't evolution an opinion, and not a proven fact?

And even if it was fact, don't you think it's not good to PREACH your own belief, including evolution just because they say there's evidence?

Basically, what we are seeing is that you can't not believe or not believe in what you actually see. Unless, of course, you have perception problems. That's all that science is. It basically tells us what we see. This entire idea that what we see is what we must do is a really bad one, though. We still need religion to come up with good social goals, but that should be taught in a Theology class. If we want to merge what we see and yet strive for something better than what we see, we can have a Philosophy class.

[John Dibble]

Evolution is not the same as mathematics. Mathematics and physics is something men created to begin with, but evolution is trying to prove something that can be a variety of things, like you don't know what all dinosaurs looked like with just fossils, people just try to make a good guess.

LOL, is that the best example you can come up with - people guessing what dinosaurs looked like? What dinosaurs looked like might be of some interest, but it's really not the core of what evolution is about. Even if we don't know exactly what an extinct species looked like, the fossils do tell us about many of their traits (size, structure, diet, etc.) and we can make comparisons to fossils that come before and after to see how the various species evolved over time.

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What? Ok. Were these badly written sentences supposed to form some sort of complete thought, or did you think it would help your argument to throw some random disconnected crap together?

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Again, the theory of evolution is a scientific theory, not a religious one, just like mathematics, physics, anatomy, chemistry, geology, astronomy, etc.

Besides, if anyone really has a stick up their bum about it they aren't actually required to believe it - all that is required is that they understand the theory. You don't have to agree with something to understand the concept.

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Evolution is a fact. There is significant evidence for it, far more evidence than exists for any religion. That is because the theory of evolution is based on gathering of evidence and drawing rational conclusions, like all science is supposed to be. That's how we came up with the things we know about mathematics, physics, anatomy, chemistry, geology, astronomy, etc.

You can feel free to disagree with any of these things, but unless you've got enough evidence to scientifically disprove them they are the best that science has to offer.

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What? By that logic nobody should voice their opinion to anybody. By that logic I shouldn't tell someone who thinks the world is flat that the world is round because I have evidence that it is. Hell, aren't you preaching with this very thread?

[RI]

A religion can be a value you devote yourself to. People put atheistic evolution above God because they don't believe in God.

How is evolution atheistic? Evolution does not make claims about the nature or existence of God; it is at worst God-neutral. At the same time, evolution does not make claims about the origin of life, only about how life has changed once it has started. Christianity and evolution are compatible in all but the strictest of interpretations.

[politicaladdict]

You just said it, it's a theory!

If evolution is a fact, then where did these evidences come from? NOTHING?

So we don't have to abide by what they believe in, but they have to put what they call evolution. I assume you people never seen the BIG BANG, either!

So, can we also put creationism alongside evolution, aswell, but don't have to abide by it if we don't want to?

And you can't prove humans came from monkeys, no matter how much you try!

[fezzyfestoon]

What?

[RI]

Your use of the word "theory" as a pejorative shows a marked lack of scientific understanding that is typical of rabid social conservatives like yourself. In science, something is a theory because it incorportates individual facts into an explanation of natural phenomena that has been tested time and again and has held up to every test. Evolution has also repeatedly lent itself to the discovery of many new fields of research, perhaps most notably the science of genetics.

Your precious creationism, or its PC twin intelligent design are not theories, they are at best hypotheses, and, more realistically, hallow attempts at pseudoscience, unsupported by evidence, unfalsifiable, and untestable; they are no more valid than astrology or alchemy.

Not that telling you any of this is anything more than a waste of time.

[politicaladdict]

What?

When I say "You just said it, it's a theory!" I was referring to a previous blogger before the missing link-bloggers came between while I was typing!

[Person Man]

You just said it, it's a theory!

If evolution is a fact, then where did these evidences come from? NOTHING?

So we don't have to abide by what they believe in, but they have to put what they call evolution. I assume you people never seen the BIG BANG, either!

So, can we also put creationism alongside evolution, aswell, but don't have to abide by it if we don't want to?

And you can't prove humans came from monkeys, no matter how much you try!

Well, let's just put it this way- How else do you explain all of the radiation that we detect in space that seems to be radiating from a distant place? How do you explain the fact that Galaxies that used to be closer are now further away? How do you explain why we find fossils that look like no other animal that exists and yet there are still animals today? These are our best explanations from what we take in from these surroundings. If you have a better explaination, please let us know. For example you can say God created the world on the October of 3807 B.C.....but how? Can a process be explained about how he created the world? Did it just blink?

Now. We have lost about a third of the species of the Planet Earth in the last 100 years. Therefore, if there is no other way that new species can come to fill the void, then eventually the world will be eventually totally devoid of all life in another 200 years. Therefore, if creationism is true, the world will not exist in 200 years time.

[Vepres]

You just said it, it's a theory!

If evolution is a fact, then where did these evidences come from? NOTHING?

So we don't have to abide by what they believe in, but they have to put what they call evolution. I assume you people never seen the BIG BANG, either!

So, can we also put creationism alongside evolution, aswell, but don't have to abide by it if we don't want to?

And you can't prove humans came from monkeys, no matter how much you try!

The definition of 'theory' in the scientific context, which evolution is in, is:

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In other words, it is something that explains why things happen the way they do that we know to a high degree of certainty (because really you can only "prove" in the strictest sense things through mathematics)

You want evidence. Hmmm... How about that we share 99% of our DNA with Chimps. What are the odds that would've happened if we didn't share a common ancestor. And, no, we aren't descended from apes and monkeys, we share a common ancestor with them.

Now, more evidence.

Vestigial structures: Why do, for example, whales have a pelvis bone and the remnants of leg bones that is utterly useless? Well, the only logical explanation is that they share an common ancestry with land mammals, so the legs slowly disappeared, but haven't entirely. If a superior being designed whales, why would he include these structures that have NO function whatsoever.

Fossils: We can track the gradual change from one species to another over time. Fossils found that are identified from a certain time period (very accurate) are compared and you see a clear transition. How is it that dogs became a separate sub-species of gray wolf through human influence but evolution isn't true?

Finally, why is it that organisms on different sides of the planet, but on otherwise nearly identical environments are significantly different? Why don't we see Arizona cacti in the African desert? An intelligent creator wouldn't make them different, after all, once you have one animal suited to an environment, why create a totally different one?  

Back to genetics, it is not only that we share many of our genes with apes, but that "junk DNA" (DNA that has no function, about 90% of all our nucleotides) is very similar. Broken genes, like our and Ape's broken vitamin C gene which creates a protein that makes vitamin C (luckily, these species' diets have high vitamin C) are broken in the same way. There is no conceivable way that that could happen unless we have a common ancestor.

You're using a computer. Prove to me with 100% certainty that what you are using is in fact a computer. How about this, prove to me with a 100% certainty that if you threw a pencil in the air that it would fall to the ground. The answer is you can't. You can only prove things in mathematics.

I have a quote for you:

"I would love to have the faith to believe that it [the Earth's creation] took place in 7 days, but... I have thoughts, and that can really f*** up the faith thing.

And then, there are fossils. Whenever somebody tries to tell me that it took place in 7 days, I reach for a fossil and go, 'fossil.'" - Lewis Black

[Free Palestine]

[Хahar 🤔]

I agree.

Clearly, we can't teach anything. Everything is a theory.

[Lief 🗽]

Clearly the Catholic church is atheistic, as it has endorsed evolution.

 = ATHEIST

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

That sums up all of this guy's posts actually.

[Person Man]

10-4 on that. He seems to be more of a joke than anything else.

[John Dibble]

You just said it, it's a theory!

Yes, a theory. In science the word theory means something more than it does in everyday vernacular. In science there are roughly three things an idea can be - hypothesis, theory, and law.

Hypothesis is pretty much an educated guess - based on a few observations you have an idea of how things work, but you have not gathered a lot of evidence to support the idea. Theory is an idea that has had considerable evidence gathered for it and is considered true by a significant portion of the scientific community, though all the details are not completely known. Theories therefore are adjusted over time as more evidence comes to light. Law means the idea has enough evidence that we are confident that we understand it completely.

To give an example of another scientific theory - gravity. Yes, gravity. We are able to observe gravity at work, so we know gravity exists. But we don't understand everything about it yet, so gravity is in the theory state as far as science is concerned. Evolution is in the same boat.

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Comparisons of the structures, locations, and ages of fossils combined with genetic data from modern day organisms, and even some fossil organisms, have given us a plethora of evidence. Other evidence has been presented by posters above, so I'll leave it at that.

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Please make sure your sentences are written in a coherent manner before posting them.

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Of course not - it happened billions of years ago. However, the evidence points to the big bang model being correct. The universe moves in a way consistent with the model, and there is cosmic microwave background radiation that was also necessary for the model to be true.

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You can teach the idea of creationism in a theology class if you want, or as a historical belief about where everything came from. However, you can't teach it as science because it is not science.

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Of course not. We already know that they didn't. If you knew anything about the study of human evolution you would know that.

[Antonio the Sixth]

If the reason is they removed prayer from public schools and religious symbols in the name of Separation of Religion and State, then why are we being taught evolution in school which most of this population doesn't believe in?

Public Schools might belong to the government but it's the people's tax money.

Why should government set up a belief system?

I mean, I thought IT WAS Separation of Religion and State and not suppose to infringe on people's beliefs. 

WHAT A BUNCH OF MARXIST HYPOCRITES!

Do you just know what the word "science" means ? Confusing it with religion proves once again how your arguments are senseless.