Grades of British Prime Ministers

[Phony Moderate]

Since World War 2.

Clement Attlee - A-

Winston Churchill - C+ for 1940-45, D for 1951-55

Anthony Eden - D-

Harold Macmillan - C

Alec Douglas-Home - C-

Harold Wilson - B for 1964-70, C+ for 1974-76

Ted Heath - C

James Callaghan - B-

Margaret Thatcher - F

John Major - D

Tony Blair - D+ (for his social policy)

Gordon Brown - D

[Lief 🗽]

Yeah, most British PMs (with the exception of Attlee and Churchill during the war) were pretty mediocre ranging to terrible.

[k-onmmunist]

Clement Attlee - C

Winston Churchill - A

Anthony Eden - C

Harold Macmillan - F

Alec Douglas-Home - E

Harold Wilson - D

Ted Heath - F

James Callaghan - F

Margaret Thatcher - E

John Major - D

Tony Blair - F

Gordon Brown - U

[Antonio the Sixth]

Thatcher : F
Major : E
Blair : C
Brown : E

Don't know enough for the previous ( except A for Churchill during WWII ).

[afleitch]

Clement Attlee - C (Would have been B if he hadn't almost bankrupted us)

Winston Churchill - C- (Bad, but not woeful)

Anthony Eden - D-

Harold Macmillan - B+

Alec Douglas-Home - B- (Business as usual; was closer to winning in '64 than people often think)

Harold Wilson - B- 1964-70, C- 1974-76

Ted Heath - C

James Callaghan - D

Margaret Thatcher - B (Or to be more precise 1979-1983 B+, 1983-1987 A, 1987-1990 C-)

John Major - C+ (5 years of solid economic growth let down by his party)

Tony Blair - C-

Gordon Brown - E (Will probably be fighting with Eden for worst PM of modern times in the history footnotes)

[The Man From G.O.P.]

I need to know why Churchill is getting bad grades.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I need to know why Churchill is getting bad grades.

I suppose bad grades refer to his second term.

[afleitch]

I need to know why Churchill is getting bad grades.

I suppose bad grades refer to his second term.

Yes. He was too old. He was a good war leader, but even during the war he was not great on the domestic front.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I need to know why Churchill is getting bad grades.

I suppose bad grades refer to his second term.

Yes. He was too old. He was a good war leader, but even during the war he was not great on the domestic front.

Exactly. He fully deserved his 1945 defeat, since he behaved as a primarily anti-welfare paleoconservative.
Formidable leader on the right moment, but a poor one in normal times.

[You kip if you want to...]

Clement Attlee - C

Winston Churchill - D

Anthony Eden - C

Harold Macmillan - F

Alec Douglas-Home - E

Harold Wilson - A

Ted Heath - C

James Callaghan - D

Margaret Thatcher - U

John Major - F

Tony Blair - B (No Iraq and it would've been an A)

Gordon Brown - C

[k-onmmunist]

I need to know why Churchill is getting bad grades.

I suppose bad grades refer to his second term.

Yes. He was too old. He was a good war leader, but even during the war he was not great on the domestic front.

Exactly. He fully deserved his 1945 defeat, since he behaved as a primarily anti-welfare paleoconservative.
Formidable leader on the right moment, but a poor one in normal times.

Being anti-welfare is good.

[The Mikado]

Plus, Churchill had the thing that eventually sunk Eden: nostalgia for the Empire.  Malaya and the other, less memorable efforts in his second term to try to hold onto Imperial possessions were the definition of swimming against the tide.  After the Second World War, there was no way decolonization was going to be prevented, for better or worse.  (Mostly for the better, in my view, although the Empire did have its advantages)

Eden gets blamed for continuing Churchill's policies in that area: it just so happened that the Suez Crisis happened on his watch rather than Churchill's.  Considering the Suez mess was probably the biggest (foreign policy) debacle to happen to the post-WWII UK, it's fair to put Eden as the worst modern Prime Minister, but the exact same thing would've happened if it had been one year earlier under Churchill's watch instead.

[k-onmmunist]

Plus, Churchill had the thing that eventually sunk Eden: nostalgia for the Empire.  Malaya and the other, less memorable efforts in his second term to try to hold onto Imperial possessions were the definition of swimming against the tide.  After the Second World War, there was no way decolonization was going to be prevented, for better or worse.  (Mostly for the better, in my view, although the Empire did have its advantages)

Eden gets blamed for continuing Churchill's policies in that area: it just so happened that the Suez Crisis happened on his watch rather than Churchill's.  Considering the Suez mess was probably the biggest (foreign policy) debacle to happen to the post-WWII UK, it's fair to put Eden as the worst modern Prime Minister, but the exact same thing would've happened if it had been one year earlier under Churchill's watch instead.

Nostalgia for the Empire is also good.

[k-onmmunist]

Nostalgia for the Empire is also good.

Fuсk off.

If it were up to me, India wouldn't have been getting independence. Ever.

[Хahar 🤔]

Nostalgia for the Empire is also good.

Fuсk off.

If it were up to me, India wouldn't have been getting independence. Ever.

Okay, I'll bite.

Why?

[k-onmmunist]

Nostalgia for the Empire is also good.

Fuсk off.

If it were up to me, India wouldn't have been getting independence. Ever.

Okay, I'll bite.

Why?

We took it. It's ours.

[Хahar 🤔]

Nostalgia for the Empire is also good.

Fuсk off.

If it were up to me, India wouldn't have been getting independence. Ever.

Okay, I'll bite.

Why?

We took it. It's ours.

Ah, so my initial assumptions were right. You're not capable of intelligent thought.

[k-onmmunist]

Nostalgia for the Empire is also good.

Fuсk off.

If it were up to me, India wouldn't have been getting independence. Ever.

Okay, I'll bite.

Why?

We took it. It's ours.

Ah, so my initial assumptions were right. You're not capable of intelligent thought.

Do you know the difference between trolling and being serious?

[The Mikado]

Nostalgia for the Empire is also good.

Fuсk off.

If it were up to me, India wouldn't have been getting independence. Ever.

Okay, I'll bite.

Why?

We took it. It's ours.

Ah, so my initial assumptions were right. You're not capable of intelligent thought.

Do you k now the difference between trolling and being serious?

Do YOU know the logistical difficulties of keeping India post-1945?  Either the UK would voluntarily give it up, or it would've been forced to give it up.

[k-onmmunist]

That's debatable.

[Хahar 🤔]

No, it really isn't.

[k-onmmunist]

I'm afraid it is.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Then debate it.

(You are arguing against accepted historical consensus though. Just thought you should know).

[k-onmmunist]

Then debate it.

(You are arguing against accepted historical consensus though. Just thought you should know).

You don't think Britain could play the different ethnic groupss of India off against eachother? Plus, there's always the Princely States.

[Хahar 🤔]

You don't think Britain could play the different ethnic groupss of India off against each other? Plus, there's always the Princely States.

They tried and failed.

And if the Princes stood in the way, they wouldn't last long. The Quit India Movement was a popular movement, not one of the rulers.