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« on: August 15, 2009, 12:14:59 AM »

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

1st Amendment: 93% Keep it, 7% Repeal it
2nd Amendment: 65% Keep it, 35% Repeal it
3rd Amendment: 94% Keep it, 6% Repeal it
4th Amendment: 96% Keep it, 4% Repeal it
5th Amendment: 94% Keep it, 6% Repeal it
6th Amendment: 92% Keep it, 8% Repeal it
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« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2009, 01:21:30 PM »

Repeal. Trial by jury isn't as good an idea as it sounds.
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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2009, 01:39:48 PM »

Trial By Jury and Double Jeopardy are VERY IMPORTANT. We need these laws to keep judges and prosecutors from going mad with power.
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« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2009, 06:27:29 PM »

Trial By Jury and Double Jeopardy are VERY IMPORTANT. We need these laws to keep judges and prosecutors from going mad with power.

     I think this has more to do with appeals than double jeopardy (which is mentioned in the 5th amendment), but it's still very important. Keep it.
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« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2009, 11:58:44 PM »

At a minimum, the $20 floor needs to be increased (or at least it needs to be interpreted as 20 silver or gold dollars). Inflation has rendered the $20 figure absurd.

In any case, this amendment is about civil cases, not criminal ones.  The right to trial by jury in criminal cases is in the 6th Amendment.
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« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2009, 12:04:42 AM »

Imagine if someone sued about not getting that $30 for the first day of jury duty. The jury selection of jurors for that case would be hilarious.
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« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2009, 12:19:22 AM »

Modify it (replace/remove the twenty dollars clause)
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« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2009, 05:49:24 AM »

Just in case anyone's interested, $20 from 1791 (Year of the consitution) is now worth:

Current data is only available till 2008. In 2008,  $20.00  from 1791 is worth:
   $473.19    using the Consumer Price Index
   $454.69    using the GDP deflator
        using the value of consumer bundle
   $7,958.14    using the unskilled wage
   $18,849.64    using the nominal GDP per capita
   $1,418,054.88    using the relative share of GDP

http://www.measuringworth.com/index.html
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« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2009, 01:49:11 PM »

Repeal. Trial by jury isn't as good an idea as it sounds.

The only alternative to trial by jury is to let the judge render the verdict. A group of fallible people or one fallible person. Neither is perfect, and each has advantages and disadvantages. In civil trials, I would say that a judge is usually the better option, but in criminal trials a jury is probably better.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2009, 08:44:55 AM »

I'm not a fan of jury trials in civil cases.
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2009, 02:32:36 PM »

I'm not a fan of jury trials in civil cases.

When they dole  out countless miliions to a stupid bitch who pours hot coffee on her crotch and is pissed cause she didnt know how hot it was, then I agree.
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2009, 08:13:33 PM »

At a minimum, the $20 floor needs to be increased (or at least it needs to be interpreted as 20 silver or gold dollars). Inflation has rendered the $20 figure absurd.

In any case, this amendment is about civil cases, not criminal ones.  The right to trial by jury in criminal cases is in the 6th Amendment.

Ernest and I don't often agree, but this is one we seem to be in lock step on. 
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2009, 01:40:49 PM »

At a minimum, the $20 floor needs to be increased (or at least it needs to be interpreted as 20 silver or gold dollars). Inflation has rendered the $20 figure absurd.

That seems right to me.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2009, 01:47:47 PM »

At a minimum, the $20 floor needs to be increased (or at least it needs to be interpreted as 20 silver or gold dollars). Inflation has rendered the $20 figure absurd.

That seems right to me.

Same here.  Perhaps peg it to inflation, or reset it at a higher total, maybe $500?
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2009, 03:05:43 PM »

At a minimum, the $20 floor needs to be increased (or at least it needs to be interpreted as 20 silver or gold dollars). Inflation has rendered the $20 figure absurd.

That seems right to me.

Same here.  Perhaps peg it to inflation, or reset it at a higher total, maybe $500?

The 7th may or may not be incorporated to the states. I don't think it is. If it isn't, in order to get to Federal Court, you have to satisfy their minimal item of controversy requirement of $70,000 and you would probably have to have diversity amongst parties as well.

So, we have, even with inflation, raised the item of controvery requirement between 500 and 10000%.

Trial By Jury and Double Jeopardy are VERY IMPORTANT. We need these laws to keep judges and prosecutors from going mad with power.

     I think this has more to do with appeals than double jeopardy (which is mentioned in the 5th amendment), but it's still very important. Keep it.
Sorry. Brain fart. This is a civil context.


I'm not a fan of jury trials in civil cases.

When they dole  out countless miliions to a stupid bitch who pours hot coffee on her crotch and is pissed cause she didnt know how hot it was, then I agree.

Well, look at the 8th. That amendment is supposed to give you some protection against that. Gore v. BMW (1995).
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