Can someone explain to me why I should support a united Ireland?
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« on: July 31, 2009, 11:21:43 AM »

I'm not Catholic, so I don't see any reason why I should. Give some reasons.
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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2009, 11:31:19 AM »

It is Irish land.
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2009, 11:44:17 AM »

It makes the map look so much neater.
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« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2009, 12:28:22 PM »

It makes sense.
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« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2009, 01:02:43 PM »

It doesn't matter if the whole population is Hindu. It's still Ireland.
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« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2009, 01:04:56 PM »


And this is supposed to be Native American land!
Fail!
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2009, 01:15:21 PM »


And this is supposed to be Native American land!
Fail!

The Irish still live there in great numbers.
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« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2009, 02:08:43 PM »


It makes the map look so much neater.

Protestant Irishs remain Irish. If only Republic of Ireland could get rid of its reactionnary catholicism and Ulster protestants be also less ridiculously radicals, these two communities could easily live together.
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« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2009, 02:21:38 PM »

The problem, BRTD, is that you have no intention of listening or debating anything.  Your mind is made up and your sole intention is to troll.  This is your default position on really any issue and you are no worth the time of a reasoned response.

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« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2009, 02:43:24 PM »

You shouldn't.
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« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2009, 03:35:09 PM »

At the moment giving Ireland the North is a bit like asking a cripple to lug a car around on it's back.

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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2009, 03:57:03 PM »

It makes the map look so much neater.
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2009, 04:12:06 PM »

I'm not Catholic, so I don't see any reason why I should. Give some reasons.

There is no reason

Northern Ireland is British territory.
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2009, 07:02:32 PM »

Protestant Irishs remain Irish. If only Republic of Ireland could get rid of its reactionnary catholicism and Ulster protestants be also less ridiculously radicals, these two communities could easily live together.

Reactionary catholicism?
Presumably then you're also suggesting that southern Catholics and Protestants must be also unable to easily live together?
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2009, 07:27:59 PM »

It makes the map look so much neater.

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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2009, 08:01:54 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2009, 09:42:21 PM »


I've never understood why forcing the majority of population of a province into a country they don't want makes sense.
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2009, 10:52:19 PM »


I've never understood why forcing the majority of population of a province into a country they don't want makes sense.

I'll play devils advocate-  The boundaries set were illegitimate and arbitrary.  The province of Ulster consists of 9 counties, 6 of which consist  of N Ireland.  Only Antrim and Down have Protestant and solid Unionist majorities.  Should Fermanagh, Tyrone, Armagh and Derry be given separate referendum based on your logic?  Or failing that should we further balkanize it based on district councils?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_councils_in_Northern_Ireland_by_community_make-up

Because after all we wouldn't want to force the majority of a county, ward, block or house into a country?
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« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2009, 12:02:32 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2009, 08:50:51 AM »

Protestant Irishs remain Irish. If only Republic of Ireland could get rid of its reactionnary catholicism and Ulster protestants be also less ridiculously radicals, these two communities could easily live together.

Reactionary catholicism?
Presumably then you're also suggesting that southern Catholics and Protestants must be also unable to easily live together?

I'm just saying that one of the reason why it's so tough for irish protestants and irish catholics to live peacefully is the fact that both are etremely radical. The same worths for Isrealis and Palestinians, and for so many other countries...
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« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2009, 01:52:08 PM »

Protestant Irishs remain Irish. If only Republic of Ireland could get rid of its reactionnary catholicism and Ulster protestants be also less ridiculously radicals, these two communities could easily live together.

Reactionary catholicism?
Presumably then you're also suggesting that southern Catholics and Protestants must be also unable to easily live together?

I'm just saying that one of the reason why it's so tough for irish protestants and irish catholics to live peacefully is the fact that both are etremely radical. The same worths for Isrealis and Palestinians, and for so many other countries...

Huh
Irish Catholics and Protestants live perfectly peacefully side by side in the Republic. Unless you're aware of matters I'm not?
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« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2009, 02:40:39 PM »

Protestant Irishs remain Irish. If only Republic of Ireland could get rid of its reactionnary catholicism and Ulster protestants be also less ridiculously radicals, these two communities could easily live together.

Reactionary catholicism?
Presumably then you're also suggesting that southern Catholics and Protestants must be also unable to easily live together?

I'm just saying that one of the reason why it's so tough for irish protestants and irish catholics to live peacefully is the fact that both are etremely radical. The same worths for Isrealis and Palestinians, and for so many other countries...

Huh
Irish Catholics and Protestants live perfectly peacefully side by side in the Republic. Unless you're aware of matters I'm not?

I was talking about Ulster.
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« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2009, 03:41:31 PM »

Protestant Irishs remain Irish. If only Republic of Ireland could get rid of its reactionnary catholicism and Ulster protestants be also less ridiculously radicals, these two communities could easily live together.

Reactionary catholicism?
Presumably then you're also suggesting that southern Catholics and Protestants must be also unable to easily live together?

I'm just saying that one of the reason why it's so tough for irish protestants and irish catholics to live peacefully is the fact that both are etremely radical. The same worths for Isrealis and Palestinians, and for so many other countries...

Huh
Irish Catholics and Protestants live perfectly peacefully side by side in the Republic. Unless you're aware of matters I'm not?

I was talking about Ulster.

Okay, well as someone from Ulster, I can't report any significant issues between Catholics and Protestants from my area.

I'd also say that for the great majority in the North, it's not an issue either. In case you hadn't noticed, the major paramilitary organisations have given up their war. The vast majority vote for parties committed to power-sharing. Equality of rights and equality before the law is as universally excepted now as just about anywhere else. There are issues, but to suggest that the two communities can't live peaceably together is, I believe, undermined by post-Good Friday Agreement history.
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2009, 12:05:31 AM »

You shouldn't support it, considering that most people in Ulster are barely Irish in the first place.
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2009, 05:35:57 AM »

You shouldn't support it, considering that most people in Ulster are barely Irish in the first place.

How so? If this is a reference to the Scottish ancestry of many of them, well, the Ulster plantation was well before any serious western colonisation of America. This would presumably make you "barely American in the first place". Or maybe you just mean that they don't fit into the commercialised version of Oirishness peddled in the States these days and which has very little to do with the real thing...
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