Opinion of Woodrow Wilson

[Хahar 🤔]

Got America involved in WW1

Yes. As we all know, the Center of the World was quite capable of winning itself.

Look, troll, the Allies could have won anyway. Had America stayed out, Germany could have been balkanised and that would have been that. I'm a British isolationist, and frankly I prefer that we'd have stayed out of WW1, but there you go.

That's an interesting idea. How would the Allies have won?

[k-onmmunist]

Got America involved in WW1

Yes. As we all know, the Center of the World was quite capable of winning itself.

Look, troll, the Allies could have won anyway. Had America stayed out, Germany could have been balkanised and that would have been that. I'm a British isolationist, and frankly I prefer that we'd have stayed out of WW1, but there you go.

That's an interesting idea. How would the Allies have won?

The same way we did in real life.

[Хahar 🤔]

Got America involved in WW1

Yes. As we all know, the Center of the World was quite capable of winning itself.

Look, troll, the Allies could have won anyway. Had America stayed out, Germany could have been balkanised and that would have been that. I'm a British isolationist, and frankly I prefer that we'd have stayed out of WW1, but there you go.

That's an interesting idea. How would the Allies have won?

The same way we did in real life.

In real life, you did it because of an influx of fresh Americans.

If America had not entered, Germany would be fighting a one-front war with France and Britain. Given that it had held its own against them while simultaneously fighting Russia and given what happened in 1940, I think it's reasonable to say that Paris would have fallen quickly.

[k-onmmunist]

Yeah right. Germany was on the verge of starvation in 1918. They could not have continued onwards to Paris, and even if they had reached Paris, they would not have captured the city.

[Хahar 🤔]

Yeah right. Germany was on the verge of starvation in 1918. They could not have continued onwards to Paris, and even if they had reached Paris, they would not have captured the city.

Franch troops would have mutinied before it progressed to such a stage. Germany was coming off a string of victories, morale was low, and smmaller mutinies had already occured.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

It wasn't just American troops. but American war material that let the Entente Powers win World War I.  Had Wilson chosen to not follow Treasury Secretary McAdoo's advice in 1915 and not allow the Entente Powers to take out loans in the United States instead of having to pay specie for the war material they bought here, the Entente Powers would have not have been able to buy as much war material in America as they did.  It is entirely possible that the German offensive on the western front would have succeeded.  Certainly the Germans would have had fewer reasons to resume unrestricted submarine warfare in 1917 had the United States not abandoned strict neutrality in 1915 to become the Entente's munition factory.

It was Wilson's tilt towards the Entente that caused Bryan to resign in June 1915 as Secretary of State.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

the good things he did was the income tax, direct election of senators

LOL, if those are the "good things", I'm afraid to know what the bad things are.

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

Of course, I think personally he was a SOB and a dirty racist. But led America through WW1 and introduced internationalism to America. And proved that Isolationism is nothing  but a cowardly and failed policy.

Right, it takes a lot of courage to lounge in the oval office while ordering thousands of young boys to be sent to their deaths for no good reason. Especially after you've lied your way through a whole election campaign promising to preserve peace.

Plus thanks to Wilson's interventionism, we eventually got to experience World War II, the Cold War, and the current mess in the Middle East.

What a success story.

[Хahar 🤔]

Of course, I think personally he was a SOB and a dirty racist. But led America through WW1 and introduced internationalism to America. And proved that Isolationism is nothing  but a cowardly and failed policy.

Right, it takes a lot of courage to lounge in the oval office while ordering thousands of young boys to be sent to their deaths for no good reason. Especially after you've lied your way through a whole election campaign promising to preserve peace.

Plus thanks to Wilson's interventionism, we eventually got to experience World War II, the Cold War, and the current mess in the Middle East.

What a success story.

Would you oppose war even after being attacked?

[Alexander Hamilton]

Of course, I think personally he was a SOB and a dirty racist. But led America through WW1 and introduced internationalism to America. And proved that Isolationism is nothing  but a cowardly and failed policy.

Right, it takes a lot of courage to lounge in the oval office while ordering thousands of young boys to be sent to their deaths for no good reason. Especially after you've lied your way through a whole election campaign promising to preserve peace.

Plus thanks to Wilson's interventionism, we eventually got to experience World War II, the Cold War, and the current mess in the Middle East.

What a success story.

Would you oppose war even after being attacked?

We weren't. Hypotheticals=dgaf

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Of course, I think personally he was a SOB and a dirty racist. But led America through WW1 and introduced internationalism to America. And proved that Isolationism is nothing  but a cowardly and failed policy.

Right, it takes a lot of courage to lounge in the oval office while ordering thousands of young boys to be sent to their deaths for no good reason. Especially after you've lied your way through a whole election campaign promising to preserve peace.

Plus thanks to Wilson's interventionism, we eventually got to experience World War II, the Cold War, and the current mess in the Middle East.

What a success story.

Would you oppose war even after being attacked?

We weren't. Hypotheticals=dgaf

In 1917 not, however Zimmermann Telegram was a good reason to get involved. But some other earlier events (Lusitania) too.

US was attacked directly in 1941 by Japan.

[WillK]

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But led America through WW1

He led, but his leadership was poor. 

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Internationalism was not a foreign concept to America before Wilson. 

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Interestingly, the person coming most strongly to Wilson's defense is an R, not a D.

[RScannix]

Let's see, Wilson was a virulent racist (even by early 20th century standards), a naive idealist, conducted his relations with Mexico in a blundering, acted against freedoms of the speech and press, interfered too much with the free market (Federal Reserve Act, Federal Farm Loan Act), and acted with a hostile and uncompromising style.

I believe the Antitrust Act and the income tax were the only good things he did. Monopolies are no good for the free market, and the income tax helped reduce the need for tariffs. Plus, he kept up the neutrality business for a while, at least.

Other than that, Wilson = HP.

[Psychic Octopus]

A truly massive HP.

The very definition of a "Liberal Fascist."

Except that a) he wasn't a fascist, b) he wasn't liberal, and c) that doesn't make sense.

HP, though.

Quite the contrary, he temporarily made the United States the first (modern) fascist state in history when he created the first propaganda department (The Committee on Public Information) in the United States was created. He also created a sedition act and sharply surpressed dissent and resistence in the american public and the press.

 In the fashion of a police state, the Department of Justice arrested tens of thousands of individuals without any cause. You weren't even safe within the walls of one’s own home to criticize the Wilson administration. A letter to federal attorneys and marshals said that citizens had nothing to fear as long as they “Obey the law; keep your mouth shut.” In fact, the Justice Department created the precursor to the Gestapo called the American Protective League. Its job was to spy on fellow citizens and turn in “seditious” persons or draft dodgers. In September of 1918 in NYC, the APL rounded up about 50,000 people. This doesn’t even include the infamous Palmer Raids (named after Wilson’s attorney general) that occurred after the war.

And he did much, much more, that damn totalitarian.

[k-onmmunist]

I believe the Antitrust Act and the income tax were the only good things he did. Monopolies are no good for the free market, and the income tax helped reduce the need for tariffs.

As a libertarian, you should know better than to support breaking up successful ventures, unless they fix prices or other such behaviour.

[Psychic Octopus]

In the fashion of a police state, the Department of Justice arrested tens of thousands of individuals without any cause.

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Bush.

Yes, I'm afraid that is somewhat true. He wasn't a fascist, but he was a Wilsonian.

[RScannix]

I believe the Antitrust Act and the income tax were the only good things he did. Monopolies are no good for the free market, and the income tax helped reduce the need for tariffs.

As a libertarian, you should know better than to support breaking up successful ventures, unless they fix prices or other such behaviour.

I take more of a moderate stance on economic matters. In that instance, I suppose I'm a bad libertarian

[Obnoxiously Slutty Girly Girl]

I believe the Antitrust Act and the income tax were the only good things he did. Monopolies are no good for the free market, and the income tax helped reduce the need for tariffs.

As a libertarian, you should know better than to support breaking up successful ventures, unless they fix prices or other such behaviour.

I take more of a moderate stance on economic matters. In that instance, I suppose I'm a bad libertarian

Supporting slavery a.k.a. the income tax makes you not a libertarian at all.

[Sewer]

I believe the Antitrust Act and the income tax were the only good things he did. Monopolies are no good for the free market, and the income tax helped reduce the need for tariffs.

As a libertarian, you should know better than to support breaking up successful ventures, unless they fix prices or other such behaviour.

I take more of a moderate stance on economic matters. In that instance, I suppose I'm a bad libertarian

Supporting slavery a.k.a. the income tax makes you not a libertarian at all.

...i, that wha huw.

[Alexander Hamilton]

I believe the Antitrust Act and the income tax were the only good things he did. Monopolies are no good for the free market, and the income tax helped reduce the need for tariffs.

As a libertarian, you should know better than to support breaking up successful ventures, unless they fix prices or other such behaviour.

I take more of a moderate stance on economic matters. In that instance, I suppose I'm a bad libertarian

Supporting slavery a.k.a. the income tax makes you not a libertarian at all.

That mentality is what prevents libertarianism from ever becoming viable. You have to be open to a big tent like the two major parties, to accomplish any of your goals at all. It's called compromise.

[Mechaman]

I believe the Antitrust Act and the income tax were the only good things he did. Monopolies are no good for the free market, and the income tax helped reduce the need for tariffs.

As a libertarian, you should know better than to support breaking up successful ventures, unless they fix prices or other such behaviour.

I take more of a moderate stance on economic matters. In that instance, I suppose I'm a bad libertarian

Supporting slavery a.k.a. the income tax makes you not a libertarian at all.

That mentality is what prevents libertarianism from ever becoming viable. You have to be open to a big tent like the two major parties, to accomplish any of your goals at all. It's called compromise.

Not sure about income tax, but the overall uber anti-tax mentality of alot of libertarians is crazy. It isn't taxes we should be against, it should be EXCESSIVE taxes. There's a difference. If you want to oppose any sort of taxation, you might as well become an anarchist, because there is no such thing as a government that can function without taxation.

[RScannix]

That mentality is what prevents libertarianism from ever becoming viable. You have to be open to a big tent like the two major parties, to accomplish any of your goals at all. It's called compromise.

Not sure about income tax, but the overall uber anti-tax mentality of alot of libertarians is crazy. It isn't taxes we should be against, it should be EXCESSIVE taxes. There's a difference. If you want to oppose any sort of taxation, you might as well become an anarchist, because there is no such thing as a government that can function without taxation.

My thoughts exactly.

[ilikeverin]

What, sane libertarians?!

[Mechaman]

What, sane libertarians?!

Mind boggling isn't it?

[ilikeverin]

What, sane libertarians?!

Mind boggling isn't it?

Impossible!  You simply must be insane.  You're so much easier to strawman when you actually believe in your strawmen.