If a ban on gay marriage was on the ballot in all 50 states in 2010

[Smash255]

Seen several people suggest it would fail in Rhode Island

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http://www.projo.com/news/content/BROWN_POLL_05-28-09_0AEH43P_v29.3f6f656.html

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Ooooh yeah, I forgot how South Dakota was ridiculously close in 2006. Like, California close. Anyone know why? There are not signs of them actually supporting same-sex marriage, is it just because they're not fans of amending their constitution?

I think people don't like amending the constitution.  It's the same here, as I said earlier.  I think people understand that gay marriage will eventually be allowed, but that it will just take time.  Let things just kind of fall as they may... but don't go around changing the constitution to reflect religious values.

[Verily]

Fail: New England, New York, New Jersey, Maryland, Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, California, Washington, Oregon, Hawaii.
Pass: Everywhere else.

Illinois, Wisconsin and Iowa could go either way. This is all ignoring local quirks like strength/weakness of the campaigns, ease in passing referendums or constitutional amendments, etc.

[TeePee4Prez]

*PA hijacking*

If the 5 Southeastern counties were to secede from the state, I could actually see a lean pass on gay marriage.  Interestingly, I could see Philly proper as a tossup/lean favor with a large population of blacks who are religious and very much against it along with working class ethnic whites.  My guess is Montgomery and Chester would be the 2 most in favor.  Rest of PA, barring possibly Centre or Monroe, would be very much against.  I sadly agree with the PA assessments sofar.

I could however see PA as progressive enough to pass Civil Unions even right now.

[Rowan]

I'm not sure if it would pass in NJ. It would be a really close vote.

[tmthforu94]

Seen several people suggest it would fail in Rhode Island

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Rhode Island has a high Catholic %, and I figured most of them would be anti-gay marriage. Guess I was wrong...

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Because everyone knows that American Catholics almost always follow the teachings of their church.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

You guys really think it would pass in the south?

A ban on gay marriage?

Maybe i misunderstood some of the maps but it seemed like they suggested the south would go for it..........LOL

The topic is where a gay marriage ban would pass/fail, not gay marriage itself.  I don't think anyone is suggesting that any Southern states would be on-board with gay marriage.

Ha ha, thanks my friend........damn I wasn't even drinking and I read it wrong.... 

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For what it's worth, many heavily black precincts in Oakland only voted 30% for Prop. 8. This was while voting 96-3 or so for Obama.

[Smash255]

Seen several people suggest it would fail in Rhode Island

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Rhode Island has a high Catholic %, and I figured most of them would be anti-gay marriage. Guess I was wrong...

Based off what exactly??  

[tmthforu94]

Seen several people suggest it would fail in Rhode Island

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Rhode Island has a high Catholic %, and I figured most of them would be anti-gay marriage. Guess I was wrong...

Based off what exactly??  

Catholics I know. Everyone in my Mom's family is Catholic, and they all oppose gay marriage.

[Smash255]

Seen several people suggest it would fail in Rhode Island

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http://www.projo.com/news/content/BROWN_POLL_05-28-09_0AEH43P_v29.3f6f656.html

Rhode Island has a high Catholic %, and I figured most of them would be anti-gay marriage. Guess I was wrong...

Based off what exactly??  

Catholics I know. Everyone in my Mom's family is Catholic, and they all oppose gay marriage.

Ahh nice logic....

[Associate Justice PiT]

Seen several people suggest it would fail in Rhode Island

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Rhode Island has a high Catholic %, and I figured most of them would be anti-gay marriage. Guess I was wrong...

Based off what exactly??  

Catholics I know. Everyone in my Mom's family is Catholic, and they all oppose gay marriage.

     Everyone in my family is Catholic & they all support gay marriage. See why using anecdotal evidence to determine voting patterns doesn't work?

[Padfoot]

Seen several people suggest it would fail in Rhode Island

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Rhode Island has a high Catholic %, and I figured most of them would be anti-gay marriage. Guess I was wrong...

Based off what exactly??  

Catholics I know. Everyone in my Mom's family is Catholic, and they all oppose gay marriage.

New England Catholics are pretty well known for ignoring the church's teachings on liberal positions such as gay marriage and abortion.


Here's my map.  Green=Approve the ban, Red=Against the ban, Gray=Toss-up

I based it heavily off of this graph which was posted on 538 a few days ago:

[J.G.H.]

Ooooh yeah, I forgot how South Dakota was ridiculously close in 2006. Like, California close. Anyone know why? There are not signs of them actually supporting same-sex marriage, is it just because they're not fans of amending their constitution?

That's certainly part of it. We tend to instinctively vote against amendment unless there's a really good reason to.  Also, the amendment banned civil unions, domestic partnerships, or anything similar to them; the language said that any "quasi-marital" relationship would be banned, but no one could quite define what that meant.  So some said it would have unintended consequences depending on how it was interpreted.  Also, no one paid much attention to it, because all the energy was focused on the abortion vote that year.

[Zarn]

Seen several people suggest it would fail in Rhode Island

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Rhode Island has a high Catholic %, and I figured most of them would be anti-gay marriage. Guess I was wrong...

Based off what exactly??  

Catholics I know. Everyone in my Mom's family is Catholic, and they all oppose gay marriage.

I remember seeing a poll that showed Roman Catholics being the biggest supporters of gay marriage (amongst all religious groups). The percentage was only in the low 40's, but it probably went up, and the civil unions number is likely much higher.

You do realize there are Roman Catholics all over the northeast, right?

[TeePee4Prez]

Seen several people suggest it would fail in Rhode Island

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http://www.projo.com/news/content/BROWN_POLL_05-28-09_0AEH43P_v29.3f6f656.html

Rhode Island has a high Catholic %, and I figured most of them would be anti-gay marriage. Guess I was wrong...

Based off what exactly?? 

Catholics I know. Everyone in my Mom's family is Catholic, and they all oppose gay marriage.

New England Catholics are pretty well known for ignoring the church's teachings on liberal positions such as gay marriage and abortion.


Here's my map.  Green=Approve the ban, Red=Against the ban, Gray=Toss-up

I based it heavily off of this graph which was posted on 538 a few days ago:

I just love how some of my fellow conservatives love to think PA is a conservative state outside of Center City, North Philly, and now the Main Line.  Granted we have a long way to go (see Johnstown, PA Palin rally).  More progressive than Delaware and Maryland quite surprises me however. 

[Lunar]

Oh no, this thread already fell in the African-American trap.

African-Americans in and near DC are more accepting of same-sex marriage than elsewhere. Enough to not make them automatic nos.

That's not saying much, they voted 70% for a gay marriage ban in California in some of the most liberal areas of the country.  The Upper South isn't exactly socially liberal.  

the 70% number was pretty much bogus, and well d.C, Northern Virginia, the Research- triangle area is a no question about it socially liberal areas.

I was just arguing that Cal has liberal areas with blacks voting decidedly against gay marriage so I could see another liberal area voting against as well, and I think put up to a nationwide vote brings out the religious vote big time. 

I'm for gay marriage, it's not like I want to see this. 

Yes you do.

That's like saying "all the people in West Virginia are disgusting rednecks losing their teeth -- hey, I'm not bad for saying that because I'm a big supporter of hygiene"

[Holmes]

Ooooh yeah, I forgot how South Dakota was ridiculously close in 2006. Like, California close. Anyone know why? There are not signs of them actually supporting same-sex marriage, is it just because they're not fans of amending their constitution?

That's certainly part of it. We tend to instinctively vote against amendment unless there's a really good reason to.  Also, the amendment banned civil unions, domestic partnerships, or anything similar to them; the language said that any "quasi-marital" relationship would be banned, but no one could quite define what that meant.  So some said it would have unintended consequences depending on how it was interpreted.  Also, no one paid much attention to it, because all the energy was focused on the abortion vote that year.

Thanks. I've never been able to find an explanation for the results. I'm surprised that they cared more about criminalizing abortion than banning gay marriage. Chances of the voters repealing the amendment anytime soon is 0%?

[Sbane]

Oh no, this thread already fell in the African-American trap.

African-Americans in and near DC are more accepting of same-sex marriage than elsewhere. Enough to not make them automatic nos.

That's not saying much, they voted 70% for a gay marriage ban in California in some of the most liberal areas of the country.  

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=97718.0

The real number was somewhere between 57-59. Latinos were just as supportive of the ban and the real reason was that these two communities are much more religious than Californian whites. Even if we believe the original exit poll, the ban would have passed even if all blacks had stayed home and not voted. Yeah its definitely black people's fault that the ban passed.