Is Barack Obama becoming the new Che Guevara?

[opebo]

no. Obama isn't a revolutionary, and he won't achieve his means through murder.

More's the pity.  Another way of putting this is all the murder will continue to be top-down in an Obama regime just like any other.

But regarding Keystone Phil's original point, you missunderstand enthusiasm for Obama, KP.  It has very little to do with him personally, but rather for the idea that we might have the first real liberal in generations in office.  Of course Obama is barely liberal (much less a leftist), so there will be disappointment, but again, this has nothing to do with a cult of personality, and everything to do with a vain hope for the end of extreme right-wing rule in america and all the misery and abuse that it entails.

[MODU]

I would have to say no.

[Keystone Phil]

YES!

Barack Obama is the most liberal member of the Senate.  Joe Biden is the second most liberal member of the Senate.  These guys make Bernie Sanders look downright conservative.  And we thought that book-reading, French-looking John Kerry was liberal?  We ain't seen nothing yet.

I am sure that in the first six months of the Obama-Biden administration, we will see the following...

1.   The Bible banned nationally as hate speech.
2.   U.S. troops ordered to unilaterally surrender to the insurgents in Iraq and the Taliban/Al Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan.
3.   Operations of the U.S. military handed over to the United Nations.  And mostly, the French.
4.   Kindergarteners encouraged to try anal sex.
5.   Crack made legal.

Of course, that's just the tip of the iceberg.  Collective farms, summary executions, forced abortion and Islam being made the official religion of the US (or Wicca, perhaps)....that's all a year or so out.

Another person who didn't bother to read my first post...

But, yeah, Rick likes gays, too.

Gee, he's got a funny way of showing it:

 - Voting to prohibit same-sex marriage:
(Bill HR 3396 ; vote number 1996-280  on Sep 10, 1996)

- Opposing prohibition of job discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation - a wonderful gesture to all those gays who worked for him that he 'stood up for':
(Employment Non-Discrimination Act; Bill S. 2056 ; vote number 1996-281  on Sep 10, 1996)

- Opposing expanding hate crime legislation to include sexual orientation:
(Bill S.2549 ; vote number 2000-136  on Jun 20, 2000)

- Supporting a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage:
(Marriage Protection Amendment; Bill S. J. Res. 1 ; vote number 2006-163  on Jun 7, 2006)

- Equating same-sex marriage to 9/11:
“This is an issue just like 9-11, we didn't decide we wanted to fight the war on terrorism because we wanted to. It was brought to us. And if not now, when? When the supreme courts in all the other states have succumbed to the Massachusetts version of the law?"

- Lying (or at least being profoundly ignorant) about homosexual coupling in history:
"In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality"

(For the record, dozens of civilizations throughout history, from Ancient Rome to Medieval Europe, to Mughal India, to modern Europe and the U.S. have embraced same-sex relationships and accorded them full matrimonial rights)

- And let's not forget his asinine statements equating homosexual acts to bigamy, incest, etc.:
 "if the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery"

(I am aware he's commenting on the case itself, but he chose to phrase his criticism that way, and only that way, when given the chance)

Rick Santorum may have a passing toleration of gays who work for him (not exactly an unbiased source, by the way) and, Phil, you may have seen another side to him. But those things don't hold up under the withering reality of Santorum's record. His position on homosexuality with be remembered as one of clueless bigotry which contributed, in part, to his well-deserved electoral humiliation in 2006.

Most of the things you mention don't pass for "hated of gays" but whatever.

And you're not exactly an unbiased source either, pal.

[© tweed]

Only insofar as he's whored himself out to become a brand.

how did Guevara 'whore himself out to become a brand?'  that was only done by the Cuban government, if at all, during his lifetime, and the brand surrounding his image really only has found footing posthumously.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Only insofar as he's whored himself out to become a brand.

how did Guevara 'whore himself out to become a brand?'  that was only done by the Cuban government, if at all, during his lifetime, and the brand surrounding his image really only has found footing posthumously.

You are quite right. During his lifetime he was merely a narrow headed, arrogrant, racist, murderous thug who, probably, deserved what he got.

[Iosif]

No, but I wouldn't mind if he does.  Especially if he goes out the same way.

A martyr?

[The Mikado]

Only insofar as he's whored himself out to become a brand.

how did Guevara 'whore himself out to become a brand?'  that was only done by the Cuban government, if at all, during his lifetime, and the brand surrounding his image really only has found footing posthumously.

You are quite right. During his lifetime he was merely a narrow headed, arrogrant, racist, murderous thug who, probably, deserved what he got.

^^^^

I hate the morons who walk around with his face on their chests.

A friend of mine was walking around with a Che T-shirt.  She's a self-described libertarian.  I asked her why she was wearing Che, and she said, "I don't know where I'd get an Alan Greenspan T-shirt."