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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2008, 02:45:14 PM »

I have no problem with that. I respect your views and hopefully with time you will see the light. You are more polite than other posters on here.

Hope I'm not being referred to. Tongue

Not as much as others. As least you take the time to debate my arguments, rather than simply mocking them.
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2008, 02:46:55 PM »

I never considered you much of a Democrat, you'd fit better somewhere else IMHO
Other than the Reform Party I can't really think of any other group that comes close.
You'd do alright in the LP
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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2008, 02:55:33 PM »

I never considered you much of a Democrat, you'd fit better somewhere else IMHO
Other than the Reform Party I can't really think of any other group that comes close.
You'd do alright in the LP
No I wouldn't, they're radicals. They support stuff like abolishing the income tax and child labor laws (well at least they favored the last one at one point).
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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2008, 03:14:10 PM »

I never considered you much of a Democrat, you'd fit better somewhere else IMHO
Other than the Reform Party I can't really think of any other group that comes close.
You'd do alright in the LP
No I wouldn't, they're radicals. They support stuff like abolishing the income tax and child labor laws (well at least they favored the last one at one point).
Little l libertarian would suit you well though, the party is a bunch of nuts
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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2008, 07:22:13 PM »

I never considered you much of a Democrat, you'd fit better somewhere else IMHO
Other than the Reform Party I can't really think of any other group that comes close.
You'd do alright in the LP
No I wouldn't, they're radicals. They support stuff like abolishing the income tax and child labor laws (well at least they favored the last one at one point).

And you point is...?
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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2008, 07:25:32 PM »

I never considered you much of a Democrat, you'd fit better somewhere else IMHO
Other than the Reform Party I can't really think of any other group that comes close.
You'd do alright in the LP
No I wouldn't, they're radicals. They support stuff like abolishing the income tax and child labor laws (well at least they favored the last one at one point).

And you point is...?

That he doesn't support those.
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« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2008, 12:27:01 AM »

//Abortion

Pro-choice but okay with certain restrictions (e.g. partial birth). No litmus tests on this issue.
Too conservative

//Balanced Budget

A large decrease in federal spending. A Balanced Budget Amendment to ensure responsible fiscal management.
Gut military spending, no BBA

//Business Tax

Moderate decrease in business taxation. Current rates put us at a competitive disadvantage; help small business.
Small business yes, corporations no.

//Education
Eliminate No Child Left Behind. Increase Teacher Salaries in exchange for less job security. Some vouchers; Charter schools provide competition.

No vouchers, no cuts in job security, yes to increasing salaries and eliminating NCLB.

//Energy

Invest in alternative energy including Nuclear Power and end oil company subsidies. Allow ANWR drilling and local offshore drilling. Cut oil use significantly by 2025.

Agree except for striked part.

//Environment

Work to reduce emissions and harmful toxins. Modified Kyoto.
Agree.

//Gun Control

Gun control is a state issue. No federal gun control.
Agree.

//Health Care

Universal health care whether public or private. Require health insurance for every child.
Agree.

//Homeland Security

We must defend ourselves only if attacked. Increase some security, funding for natural disasters. Oppose Patriot Act, it erodes our rights and freedoms (e.g. probable cause).
Agree.

//Immigration

Illegal immigration is a serious problem. Tighter border security, including a wall and fines. Reform immigration laws.
No, illegal immigration is a moot pointless issue that no one in Minnesota should give a sh!t about.

//Iran

Diplomacy and carrot-and-stick economic approach is key. No military action, offer trade liberalization if they comply.
Agree.

//Iraq War

Begin pulling out troops gradually. Partition Iraq.
No, withdraw troops immediately.

//Trade

Reform NAFTA. End tax incentives for companies sending jobs overseas, encourage investment here.
Agree, except abolish NAFTA altogether.

//Personal Tax

Repeal Bush Tax Cuts for wealthy to balance the budget.
Agree.

//Same Sex Marriage

Support but the Democrats need to neutralize this issue. It's being used as a distraction nationally by the far right.
Agree, go with civil unions.

//Social Security

Cut social security benefits for the well off. Keep congress from raiding the trust fund.
Agree.

//Unions

Labor demands must be balanced with business concerns.
No, corporations are evil.

//War on Terror

We must focus on Al Qaeda, the War in Iraq is a distraction.
Agree.
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« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2008, 12:32:14 AM »

//Abortion

Pro-choice but okay with certain restrictions (e.g. partial birth). No litmus tests on this issue.
Correct.

//Balanced Budget

A large decrease in federal spending. A Balanced Budget Amendment to ensure responsible fiscal management.
No BBA, don't gut the programs, but eliminate useless pork barrell spending.

//Business Tax

Moderate decrease in business taxation. Current rates put us at a competitive disadvantage; help small business.
I agree.

//Education

Eliminate No Child Left Behind. Increase Teacher Salaries in exchange for less job security. Some vouchers; Charter schools provide competition.
Good.

//Energy

Invest in alternative energy including Nuclear Power and end oil company subsidies. Allow ANWR drilling and local offshore drilling. Cut oil use significantly by 2025.
Good except for the striked part.

//Environment

Work to reduce emissions and harmful toxins. Modified Kyoto.
Yes.

//Gun Control

Gun control is a state issue. No federal gun control.
Good, except perhaps for a background check.

//Health Care

Universal health care whether public or private. Require health insurance for every child.
Correct.

//Homeland Security

We must defend ourselves only if attacked. Increase some security, funding for natural disasters. Oppose Patriot Act, it erodes our rights and freedoms (e.g. probable cause).
I concur.

//Immigration

Illegal immigration is a serious problem. Tighter border security, including a wall and fines. Reform immigration laws.
Yes, but no wall.

//Iran

Diplomacy and carrot-and-stick economic approach is key. No military action, offer trade liberalization if they comply.
For the moment, yes.

//Iraq War

Begin pulling out troops gradually. Partition Iraq.
Indeed.

//Trade

Reform NAFTA. End tax incentives for companies sending jobs overseas, encourage investment here.
Yes sir.

//Personal Tax

Repeal Bush Tax Cuts for wealthy to balance the budget.
Yup.

//Same Sex Marriage

Support but the Democrats need to neutralize this issue. It's being used as a distraction nationally by the far right.
Hell yes.

//Social Security

Cut social security benefits for the well off. Keep congress from raiding the trust fund.
Agree.

//Unions

Labor demands must be balanced with business concerns.
Agree.

//War on Terror

We must focus on Al Qaeda, the War in Iraq is a distraction.[/quote]
Agree.
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« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2008, 05:58:40 PM »

//Abortion

Pro-choice but okay with certain restrictions (e.g. partial birth). No litmus tests on this issue.

I'd go further than minor restrictions, but I agree on the litmus test thingy.
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Disagree with both parts. The second idea in particular would be dreadful in practice, even if the theory looks nice.

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I've no idea what business tax rates are in the states, but I'd be amazed if they're high enough to justify that.
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That I like if it's genuine. And such claims generally aren't.

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Yes
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lol, no. Won't improve "standards", will make things extremely nasty within the teaching profession. Only a good idea if you hate teachers. And I don't.

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Don't like

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Don't know what those are.
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lol @ nuclear energy being considered "alternative energy" (proof of the insanity of American energy policy if I've ever seen it). But agree with all three segments there...
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Those two stances don't work well together.
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Well, duh.

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a little late now

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Acceptable within the American context.
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How woolly. Details! Want details!

(though private sector universal heath care = lolz)

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Whut. Is that English? Can I have a translation?

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lol!

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Meh.
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Who on Earth are you to say or demand that?

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sort of looks hard to seriously disagree with.
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yeah, sure, whatever.

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The judicary should not legislate.

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I don't enough enough about the detail of the U.S pension scheme to say much.

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That would make a nice change from the current situation in the States. Hah.

(though I guess you don't mean it like that...)

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Details needed

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How, exactly?
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« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2008, 03:56:06 PM »

The swiss/dutch system works better than more socialized forms of UHC(Cuba, UK I'm looking at you). This is because some of us don't like endless waiting periods or the state using it's ownership of UHC to justify intrusive social engineerings plus it'd be another unsustainable entitlement program
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« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2008, 08:09:36 AM »


Disagree with both parts. The second idea in particular would be dreadful in practice, even if the theory looks nice.

I agree it's draconian, but I at this point discretionary spending, addendums, etc. have all gotten incredibly out of hand. Congress needs strong limits imposed on it's ability to spend and we need more transparency in all levels of government. Right now we are undermining the dollar and making ourselves more and more dependent on countries like China.

Also I'd allow for emergency exceptions such as natural disasters or severe recession if there was say, a 2/3rds majority approving it.

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They're higher overall than any other western/industrialized nation. Even Germany has cut it's corporate income tax rates. We need to streamline the tax code and cut the overall rate, the current post-Reagan trend is very anti-competitive.

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I'd do that through said tax cuts, loans for urban development, and other changes.


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I don't know about the UK but in the US it's generally exceedingly hard to fire incompetent (or worse) teachers. Believe me, I've encountered it.

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They're publicly funded/subsidized schools that normally have less regulations and more private school type elements.

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I'm not seeing why it's so crazy, it's certainly more abundant and cleaner in the long term (waste disposal aside) than coal or gas.

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I'm assuming that production is generally not going to outpace demand, especially since it would take years to develop refineries or drilling in those areas anyway. Also I'd have the government at least partially own any of the oil rights so that profits could be diverted to other long-term alt energy/public transportation works.

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Probably. Doesn't mean we can't make some other sort of concerted push to reduce fossil fuel use or waste with our allies. It might be easier to get this pushed as a national security measure than an environmental one.

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Something similar to the Healthy Americans Act. Basically you get a choice between private care or enrollment in a government pensions plan similar to your average government worker and/or elected official. I'd also allow implement a lot of actual free market reforms like allowing people to import drugs from Canada, people to buy health insurance out of state, etc.

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Alright fine, we must only use force if attacked.

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I'm not demanding anything, I'm just suggesting more of a federation so that each individual group (theoretically) has it's own area to govern and avoid harassment from the others. It seems like the least bad option for ending such a stupid and arrogant 'war' (technically not even that).

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If there's no rational basis for a marriage ban (and IMO there clearly isn't) then they're well within their rights to rule it unconstitutional. I do agree however there's been a problem with judicial overreach in this country.

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I'm still in college. How much of an ulterior motive could I have?

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We don't need to do too much more. Just ban it nationwide for teaching and discourage it through labor laws restricting it. On the other hand I'd make it harder to fire people arbitrarily with no prior warning and I'd work to protect pensions and healthcare (I'd do that first). That sounds like a reasonable trade off.

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Require share holders to approve CEO severance pay and/or salary increases. Also cut corporate tax benefits if the company is paying their CEO many times more than their 'average' (median) worker if need be.
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