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Jake
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« Reply #50 on: February 20, 2008, 10:31:51 PM »

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I'll give that to you, though that was like 8 years ago.

What was Obama doing eight years ago? Naming post offices in the IL Senate?

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Voting against things is not an accomplishment.[/quote]

It's not an accomplishment to stop earmarks from being put into bills?

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Again, that's not passing a bill. That's making a speech, something that Obama is attacked for.
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It's quite different than making a political speech. How many times has McCain been in Iraq since the Surge began? Who is seen as the point man on the issue, even more than Bush?

And what's McCain done in the past three years?

-Amendment to protect prisoners during interrogation.
-Gang of 14 for the judicial appointments

And if we're examining his whole record (as it shouldn't be held against him that he's been in Congress doing stuff since Obama was in grade school):

-co-wrote the bill creating the 9/11 commission
-co-wrote the bill giving the TSA control over security at airports
-his work on the Vietnam POW/MIA committee which eventually led to normalization of relations with what is now a US ally
-Line item veto
-McCain/Feingold
-his body of work on the Indian Affairs Committee

McCain's record speaks of a body of knowledge on foreign policy whether Iraq, Lebanon, or Vietnam, an opposition to soft money in campaigns, and opposition to pork barrel spending. Now, I understand perfectly Obama's lack of a track record because he's only had a few years to accomplish much of anything, but we shouldn't necessarily take it at as a given that he's capable of delivering on genuinely tough issues (health care, the environment, handling Iraq). It's fine and dandy to pass, as was said two pages back, bipartisan legislation, it's something completely different to take on those uninterested in health care reform, to address global warming, and especially to get something out of the Iraq adventure.
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« Reply #51 on: February 20, 2008, 10:43:18 PM »

Of the list you are giving us, how many bills did Obama 'authored' and how many did he just 'sponsored'?  there's a big difference you know.

I know Obama actually wrote his benchmark bill to mandate video recording of murder confessions, and authors at least a significant amount of his own bills (moreso back in his state senate days). Though note that when I said "sponsor" in terms of legislation earlier, I mean that he was the chief sponsor, having submitted it to the Senate; he didn't just latch his name onto it or whatever.
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« Reply #52 on: February 20, 2008, 10:54:08 PM »

I don't blame Watson—I'd be hard pressed to come up with a major accomplishment of Obama's.

My vote for him in the primary here was more anti-Hillary than anything else.
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« Reply #53 on: February 20, 2008, 11:02:36 PM »

he should have asked Tubbs-Jones to name one of Hillary's legislative accomplishments.
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« Reply #54 on: February 20, 2008, 11:30:27 PM »

Because if Obama had been in the Senate for 28 or whatever years, then he'd have lists of accomplishments as well.

Well then here's an idea - Don't run for President yet.
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« Reply #55 on: February 21, 2008, 12:08:03 AM »

THEY ARE BOTH SENATORS. Why dose it matter how long they've been sitting there for?

As it is, Obama has more Washington experience than most of the recent former Presidents.

As it is, McCain has never had administrative experience or held any office higher than Obama has.

Seriously, if this experience card is all you have going, then prepare to be blown out in November.
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« Reply #56 on: February 21, 2008, 02:04:04 AM »

he should have asked Tubbs-Jones to name one of Hillary's legislative accomplishments.

Indeed.
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« Reply #57 on: February 21, 2008, 07:35:06 AM »

Can someone tell me why passing a lot of bills in the Senate has any revelance to the presidency anyway?
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« Reply #58 on: February 21, 2008, 11:41:47 AM »

Hillary used this in a speech yesterday, with the point being that Obama has no accomplishments because Watson couldn't think of any.

I honestly have no idea why Obama couldn't find a smarter person in Texas to represent his campaign. 
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« Reply #59 on: February 21, 2008, 11:43:14 AM »

I honestly have no idea why Obama couldn't find a smarter person in Texas to represent his campaign. 

I highly doubt the Obama campaign made the deicision. I'm almost positive it was MSNBC's decision to call this guy and have him on.
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« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2008, 11:55:39 AM »

Can someone tell me why passing a lot of bills in the Senate has any revelance to the presidency anyway?

Last time I checked Barack had a pretty big agenda of "change" that he's going to try to push through if he's elected. Stands to reason he'd have to be fairly good at dealing with Congress to get much of it to pass.
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« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2008, 01:38:46 PM »

Can someone tell me why passing a lot of bills in the Senate has any revelance to the presidency anyway?

Last time I checked Barack had a pretty big agenda of "change" that he's going to try to push through if he's elected. Stands to reason he'd have to be fairly good at dealing with Congress to get much of it to pass.

Not with one-party rule.
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« Reply #62 on: February 21, 2008, 01:44:39 PM »


- Passing bipartisan legislation to give a tax credit to service stations who install ethanol pumps.


Yes we can!
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