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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2008, 07:55:18 PM »

When the subject changed so emphatically, I reached for information that millions of my fellow Obama supporters could recite by heart, and I couldn't summon it.

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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2008, 07:58:06 PM »

What a ridiculous question. While he should have been prepared, Matthews played gotcha politics and used a Clintonian theme to attack him. Maybe he should have asked the Clinton shill on the left of the screen what some of Clinton's achievements in the Senate were. You know, besides sending thousands of Americans to their deaths.


I just laughed out loud... HAHAHAH you're right, who needs to know why they are supporting a candidate. If you are open minded and tolerant and educated, there's no reason not to support Obama.

This election season is going to be fun!

Kirk Watson is a moron. This type of thing is damaging to Obama if his supporters can't answer a question like this. Hopefully he never shows his face on T.V. again.

The problem is most people who support him can't tell you what he's done in the senate. A large group of people on TV was asked that and no one could answer. It seems to be a theme, but I guess there's no need to question what he's done, because it's so obvious that only he can unite this nation. We just need to say "yes we can" and believe in hope.
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2008, 08:00:51 PM »

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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2008, 08:01:23 PM »

The problem is most people who support him can't tell you what he's done in the senate.

Get real, you hack. Neither can most McCain or Clinton supporters.
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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2008, 08:12:26 PM »

The problem is most people who support him can't tell you what he's done in the senate.

Get real, you hack. Neither can most McCain or Clinton supporters.

Obama's the one promising the world. You'd think his supporters would know what they're buying into before they buy it. Then again, most fit into one of two categories:

1. Heard him speak. Instantly captivated by his charisma.
2. Their friends like him, so they like him. Clinton's uncool.
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« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2008, 08:13:53 PM »

Obama's the one promising the world.

Translation= "I can't name any of McCain's legislative accomplishments, either"
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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2008, 08:16:40 PM »

Obama's the one promising the world.

Translation= "I can't name any of McCain's legislative accomplishments, either"

I would argue that perhaps of the three candidates, McCain's accomplishments are best known.  I think a lot of voters know him for his campaign finance reform (many of them hating him for it, but as Republicans, supporting him anyway).
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« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2008, 08:17:55 PM »

Campaign Finance Reform, Immigration w/Kennedy, voting against pork barrel spending repeatedly, supporting The Surge when it was political suicide.

Don't act stupid.
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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2008, 09:26:26 PM »

He should have been prepared but I feel kind of kind of bad for the guy. It isn't fun to be put on the spot.
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« Reply #34 on: February 20, 2008, 09:27:22 PM »

He should have been prepared but I feel kind of kind of bad for the guy. It isn't fun to be put on the spot.

Poor Obama supporters.  Having to know policy and all. . .
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« Reply #35 on: February 20, 2008, 09:27:57 PM »

He should have been prepared but I feel kind of kind of bad for the guy. It isn't fun to be put on the spot.

Not only that but the other guest at the time was that obnoxious congresswoman from Ohio....good lord shes annoying and she was loving every minute of the exchange.
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« Reply #36 on: February 20, 2008, 09:30:30 PM »

He should have been prepared but I feel kind of kind of bad for the guy. It isn't fun to be put on the spot.

Poor Obama supporters.  Having to know policy and all. . .

I still havnt gotten any answers from Walter or any other Clinton supporter that highlights Clinton's wonderful legislature history. Maybe you can answer the question then?
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« Reply #37 on: February 20, 2008, 09:31:14 PM »

He should have been prepared but I feel kind of kind of bad for the guy. It isn't fun to be put on the spot.

Poor Obama supporters.  Having to know policy and all. . .

lol... beacause I'm sure you could rattle off all of McCain's accomplishments (or whoever you support) on the spot.

By the way, I could name many of Obama's accomplishments on the spot but I don't get off on putting people down who can't.
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« Reply #38 on: February 20, 2008, 09:33:21 PM »

The problem is most people who support him can't tell you what he's done in the senate.

Get real, you hack. Neither can most McCain or Clinton supporters.

McCain is well known for campaign finance reform, his immigration bill with kennedy, always voting against pork barrel spending, supporting the surge way before it was popular and worked. lead the largest squadron in vietnam.......

can someone name me some of obama's accomplishments, what he's run, what he's done to prove he can deliver on what he's promising?

i dont mean to be a hack by asking this, dear obama supporters. please honor me with a response.
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« Reply #39 on: February 20, 2008, 09:49:32 PM »

He should have been prepared but I feel kind of kind of bad for the guy. It isn't fun to be put on the spot.

Poor Obama supporters.  Having to know policy and all. . .

I still havnt gotten any answers from Walter or any other Clinton supporter that highlights Clinton's wonderful legislature history. Maybe you can answer the question then?

As First Lady, Clinton helped a lot with SCHIP.  As a Senator, she has helped to secure billions to rebuild New York after 9/11, wants to increase the size of the military, worked against offensive video games (which is one I issue I really dislike her on), worked with Graham to help with tax breaks for domestic companies, and wants to make medical files electronic.  But those are just a few I can think of.
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« Reply #40 on: February 20, 2008, 09:54:05 PM »

The problem is most people who support him can't tell you what he's done in the senate.

Get real, you hack. Neither can most McCain or Clinton supporters.

McCain is well known for campaign finance reform, his immigration bill with kennedy, always voting against pork barrel spending, supporting the surge way before it was popular and worked. lead the largest squadron in vietnam.......

can someone name me some of obama's accomplishments, what he's run, what he's done to prove he can deliver on what he's promising?

i dont mean to be a hack by asking this, dear obama supporters. please honor me with a response.

aaand here we go:

He sponsored a law enhancing tax credits for low-income workers, negotiated welfare reform, and promoted increased subsidies for childcare.

Led passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they have stopped.

Active engagement in Police organizations and enacted death penalty reform.

Co-sponsored Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act

"Lugar-Obama" expands the Nunn-Lugar cooperative threat reduction concept to conventional weapons, including shoulder-fired missiles and anti-personnel mines.

Sponsored Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act.

Member of the Senate Forieng Relations Committee.

Working with Russ Fiengold [D-WI] produced Honest Leadership and Open Government Act.

With Chuck Schumer he sponsored S.453, a bill to criminalize deceptive practices in federal elections, including fraudulent flyers and automated phone calls.

Worked with climate change bill to reduce green house gas emissions by two-thirds by 2050, with sponsorship from John McCain.

Introduced Iraq War De-Escalation Act and Defense Authorization Act.

Sponsored Iran Sanctions Enabling Act, and worked with Chuck Hagel on legislation to reduce Nuclear Terrorism.

Sponsored State Amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP).


..anything else?
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« Reply #41 on: February 20, 2008, 09:57:59 PM »
« Edited: February 20, 2008, 10:03:59 PM by Bacon King »

This is all from memory, so a point or two might be slightly off.

can someone name me some of obama's accomplishments, what he's run, what he's done to prove he can deliver on what he's promising?

Promoted transparency in government. Sponsored legislation to prevent an avian flu outbreak before anyone in the media cared. Worked with Republican Senator Lugar on securing the nuclear stockpile of the former Soviet Union. Sponsored ethics reform with Republican Senator Coburn. In the Illinois State Senate he passed some 600 (iirc) bills, about half of them under Republican leadership, including a bill that mandated murder confessions to be videotaped. He's got a pretty strong legislative record, really, although that's not even his strong point or one of the major talking points of his campaign at all.

He chairs a subcommittee on foreign relations in the Senate, waged several successful "wars" to improve the community back in his days in Chicago as an organizer, and also was President of the Harvard Law Review. Although none of these are really on the scale of the presidency, it shows Obama can hold a significant responsibility without fscking things up, and shows he can really get things done via his leadership and ability to bring people together. I really think he can deliver what he pledges, and his record seems to echo that.

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Why not practice what you preach? You still haven't responded to me in the "Opinion of Obama" thread and you've neglected to respond to me several times in the past, when I directly questioned or rebutted something you said.

Basically, it seems to me that you are just lobbing attacks against Obama left and right, hoping one will hit, and when your attacks get shot down you simply lurk back away.

Just please, as I dignify you with a response, I hope you do the same.
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« Reply #42 on: February 20, 2008, 10:00:05 PM »

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I'll give that to you, though that was like 8 years ago.

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Didn't pass.

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Voting against things is not an accomplishment.

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Again, that's not passing a bill. That's making a speech, something that Obama is attacked for.

What has McCain accomplished in the 3 years that Obama has been in the Senate?
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« Reply #43 on: February 20, 2008, 10:04:06 PM »

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I'll give that to you, though that was like 8 years ago.

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Again, that's not passing a bill. That's making a speech, something that Obama is attacked for.

What has McCain accomplished in the 3 years that Obama has been in the Senate?

Why do only the last three years of McCain's accomplishments count?  Why can't his work since 1980 matter?
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« Reply #44 on: February 20, 2008, 10:05:43 PM »

Because if Obama had been in the Senate for 28 or whatever years, then he'd have lists of accomplishments as well. It's kind of difficult to compare 28 years to 3.

Obama has clearly done things in the last 3 years. Has McCain?
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« Reply #45 on: February 20, 2008, 10:15:15 PM »

Because if Obama had been in the Senate for 28 or whatever years, then he'd have lists of accomplishments as well. It's kind of difficult to compare 28 years to 3.

Obama has clearly done things in the last 3 years. Has McCain?

McCain has only been in the Senate in 1987, he's been in Congress since 1981.  So you are basically discounting McCain's many years of service in Congress and many accomplishments simply because Obama was only elected in 2004?  I think this speaks more to Obama's lack of experience than anything else.
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« Reply #46 on: February 20, 2008, 10:16:45 PM »

Obviously McCain has more experience. I (and a majority of Americans) don't care about that. But if you want to make the attack that Obama has been a "bad" Senator or something, compare his three years to three of McCain's years, then we can see who has accomplished more.
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« Reply #47 on: February 20, 2008, 10:17:26 PM »

Of the list you are giving us, how many bills did Obama 'authored' and how many did he just 'sponsored'?  there's a big difference you know.

I think McCain has created most of the bills that have been mentioned.

True Democrat, how you dare to compare McCain's 28 years with Obama's 3?? how unfair! nothing that happened before Obama got there counts! it's old washington.. we just want change!
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« Reply #48 on: February 20, 2008, 10:17:51 PM »

Obviously McCain has more experience. I (and a majority of Americans) don't care about that. But if you want to make the attack that Obama has been a "bad" Senator or something, compare his three years to three of McCain's years, then we can see who has accomplished more.

You can't just compare two politicians proportionally.  That is ridiculous.
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« Reply #49 on: February 20, 2008, 10:19:14 PM »

Of the list you are giving us, how many bills did Obama 'authored' and how many did he just 'sponsored'?  there's a big difference you know.

I think McCain has created most of the bills that have been mentioned.

True Democrat, how you dare to compare McCain's 28 years with Obama's 3?? how unfair! nothing that happened before Obama got there counts! it's old washington.. we just want change!

Im still waiting for a list of accomplishments from you...

...well?
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