A Question For Pro-Palestine Posters

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

Pretty sure the land of Palestine under the jurisdiction of the Mutasharrifate of Quds and under Ottoman suzerainty via the various sanjaks was much better for intercommunal relations than what's happening today or under the British Mandate. But maybe that's just me.

And no, Fuzzy, for the billionth time, literally no one is ignoring the role the former Grand Mufti had played.

[Pro-Israel, anti-Bibi]

A democratic multi-ethnic state where Arabs and Jews reside and have the same equal rights under a new constitution. The Palestine of past will be replicated, as it was for many years, a nation which  had a peaceful co-existence among all of the ethnicities. Jerusalem would be a United Nations moderated city, as the Holy Land for the Abrahamic religions should not beholden to a sovereign nation. Settlements would be stop and the land will be rightfully returned to the indignious, as citizens with voices, instead of foreign people coming in free because of their ethnicity is approved by the state. Military service will not be required by the law, as true peace will be achieved in the Middle East if we move past from the atrocities of the IDF.

Roger Waters had a wonderful video about the subject at hand. Watch the link below.

"The Palestine of past will be replicated, as it was for many years, a nation which  had a peaceful co-existence among all of the ethnicities."

When did this Palestine with "peaceful co-existence" among all ethnicities exist? Is it in the room with us now?

The Palestinian Apologists refuse to acknowledge that the Grand Mufti really happened.

Good Lord buddy.
Turn the record over.
"The grand mufti" has nothing to do with this or any other substantive issue in Israel or Palestine today.
Your insistence on pushing this narrative is comic relief at this point.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Pretty sure the land of Palestine under the jurisdiction of the Mutasharrifate of Quds and under Ottoman suzerainty via the various sanjaks was much better for intercommunal relations than what's happening today or under the British Mandate. But maybe that's just me.

And no, Fuzzy, for the billionth time, literally no one is ignoring the role the former Grand Mufti had played.

Definitely not true after controlling for homogeneity and population size. Lots of evidence on the subject, but I think the anecdote that when Napoleon entered the Holy Land in 1799 he was greeted by throngs of cheering Christians celebrating their liberation from Ottoman persecution is indicative. For a bunch of examples from the 1830s alone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_Hebron_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Druze_attack_on_Safed

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Pretty sure the land of Palestine under the jurisdiction of the Mutasharrifate of Quds and under Ottoman suzerainty via the various sanjaks was much better for intercommunal relations than what's happening today or under the British Mandate. But maybe that's just me.

And no, Fuzzy, for the billionth time, literally no one is ignoring the role the former Grand Mufti had played.

Definitely not true after controlling for homogeneity and population size. Lots of evidence on the subject, but I think the anecdote that when Napoleon entered the Holy Land in 1799 he was greeted by throngs of cheering Christians celebrating their liberation from Ottoman persecution is indicative. For a bunch of examples from the 1830s alone:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_Hebron_massacre

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1838_Druze_attack_on_Safed

Really not sure why Atlas allows Ottoman apologia btw, if it won't allow apologia for other regimes? Why does Atlas have an avatar for the regime that committed the Armenian genocide, for example, but not for the Soviet Union (the SU avatar was removed after the invasion of Ukraine, in which less people have died than the Armenian genocide)?

[certified hummus supporter 🇵🇸🤝🇺🇸🤝🇺🇦]

No doubt those are unfortunate tragedies, however, you understand the broader context of what was going on: a massive peasant revolt against the reigning Egyptian government in protest of their centralizing policies of taxation and conscription. Egypt, at that time, was a nominally under the control of Istanbul. But yes, the attacks on Jews during this period is deplorable.

In regards to your second post; well, why do we have avatars for the Eastern Romans, the Romans, or Napoleonic France then? They committed atrocities against the Gauls, Bulgars, and, of course, Jews as well. So of you're consistent, would you not advocate for removing these avatars as well?

And as for me, the difference is, I haven't ever endorsed the slaughtering of Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians under the C.U.P. dictatorship. Much less the un-Islamic devshirme system they had.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Well, why do we have avatars for the Eastern Romans, the Romans, or Napoleonic France then? They committed atrocities against the Gauls, Bulgars, and, of course, Jews as well. So of you're consistent, would you not advocate for removing these avatars as well?

And as for me, the difference is, I haven't ever endorsed the slaughtering of Armenians, Greeks, and Assyrians under the C.U.P. dictatorship.

The Romans existed thousands of years ago rather than a hundred. And Napoleonic France certainly never committed any major atrocities against Jews, if that's what you mean to imply.

Many of the posters with Soviet avatars never called for or supported the Russian invasion of Ukraine: in fact, several of them actively condemned it. And yet the avatar was removed anyway. Seems contradictory that one avatar would be removed for the crimes of a successor government, but another avatar wouldn't be removed for crimes it itself committed?

[Pro-Israel, anti-Bibi]

Why should a North Carolina avatar be allowed when Haley/Ryan has never explicitly apologized for the 1898 Wilmington Massacre?

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Why should a North Carolina avatar be allowed when Haley/Ryan has never explicitly apologized for the 1898 Wilmington Massacre?

As a North Carolina avatar, I explicitly apologize for the 1898 Wilmington massacre. I also apologize for the murder of Kay Hagan and all five terms of Jesse Helms (especially the last three).

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Why should a North Carolina avatar be allowed when Haley/Ryan has never explicitly apologized for the 1898 Wilmington Massacre?

Because North Carolina is a place that actually exists, like Turkey. The proper analogy would be the CSA, which similarily does not have an avatar.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

North Carolina is a place that actually exists, like Turkey.

Okay, now that's just false. I've lived in Charlotte for nearly half my life now and I can tell you that much. We are many things, but we are not a "place that actually exists."

[Pro-Israel, anti-Bibi]

Why should a North Carolina avatar be allowed when Haley/Ryan has never explicitly apologized for the 1898 Wilmington Massacre?

Because North Carolina is a place that actually exists, like Turkey. The proper analogy would be the CSA, which similarily does not have an avatar.

Nope. The Confederate States of America ceased to exist (to your chagrin) 30 years before that happened.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Why should a North Carolina avatar be allowed when Haley/Ryan has never explicitly apologized for the 1898 Wilmington Massacre?

Because North Carolina is a place that actually exists, like Turkey. The proper analogy would be the CSA, which similarily does not have an avatar.

Also, I never asked AFE for an apology for the Armenian genocide: that would be absurd. I merely said that the Ottoman Empire shouldn't be an avatar under a standard that excludes the Soviet Union for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

[Fuzzy Bear]

A democratic multi-ethnic state where Arabs and Jews reside and have the same equal rights under a new constitution. The Palestine of past will be replicated, as it was for many years, a nation which  had a peaceful co-existence among all of the ethnicities. Jerusalem would be a United Nations moderated city, as the Holy Land for the Abrahamic religions should not beholden to a sovereign nation. Settlements would be stop and the land will be rightfully returned to the indignious, as citizens with voices, instead of foreign people coming in free because of their ethnicity is approved by the state. Military service will not be required by the law, as true peace will be achieved in the Middle East if we move past from the atrocities of the IDF.

Roger Waters had a wonderful video about the subject at hand. Watch the link below.

"The Palestine of past will be replicated, as it was for many years, a nation which  had a peaceful co-existence among all of the ethnicities."

When did this Palestine with "peaceful co-existence" among all ethnicities exist? Is it in the room with us now?

The Palestinian Apologists refuse to acknowledge that the Grand Mufti really happened.

Good Lord buddy.
Turn the record over.
"The grand mufti" has nothing to do with this or any other substantive issue in Israel or Palestine today.
Your insistence on pushing this narrative is comic relief at this point.

Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in the 1930s and 1940s is the Father Figure of the Palestinian Arab Nationalism that has spawned Hamas and al-Fatah.  He is the starting point for the movements today that seek to drive all Jews from "Palestine".  He is not publicized because he was a Nazi Collaborator and War Criminal who was convicted in absentia, and the "War Criminal" route is one today's Palestinian Nationalists wish to use against Israel.  (Frivioulsly so, but truth has never been a concern for today's Palestinian Nationalists.)  

I understand it's bad PR for the Palestinian Nationalist movements to have a Nazi Collaborator as their Father Figure, but "Who's your Daddy?" is a fair historical question to ask when evaluating the "historical claims" of the Palestinians, as well as their actual intentions to coexist peacefully with other ethnicities.  It goes to how the current movement started, and from where it took it's inspiration.  For myself, I take their "From the River to the Sea!" seriously; they wish to drive all of the Jews out of "Palestine".  And it's a slogan they don't wish to give up.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Even though he makes it explicitly clear his reasoning for doing so is to smear the entire Palestinian movement as anti-Semitic “drive Jews to the sea” Nazi collaborating religious fundamentalist, it is really cringe to see fuzzy constantly inflate the Grand Mufti’s importance when Gamal Abdel Nasser and his pan-Arab nationalism ideas are standing right over there

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Whenever I think Palestine I think Iran because a Palestinian before the Iranian Revolution killed RFK St and they joined together after the Revolution

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Why should a North Carolina avatar be allowed when Haley/Ryan has never explicitly apologized for the 1898 Wilmington Massacre?

Because North Carolina is a place that actually exists, like Turkey. The proper analogy would be the CSA, which similarily does not have an avatar.

Also, I never asked AFE for an apology for the Armenian genocide: that would be absurd. I merely said that the Ottoman Empire shouldn't be an avatar under a standard that excludes the Soviet Union for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

This is really, really tiresome. Knock it off or at least take it to another thread.