UCLA medical school admissions overtaken by DEI?

[GP270watch]

And invest more in HBCUs!

 But in fact the very opposite was done, they didn't even get the funding the were mandated to get for decades.

State-run, land-grant HBCUs are owed more than $13 billion, the White House says

 There are also state level lawsuits that have found the same thing.

 Also to those talking about culture of education in the African American community please remember that the culture of education has never been dictated by the Black Americans. During slavery it was illegal in many southern states to teach Black people to read. After slavery ended Black people made incredible gains in the early part of Reconstruction before domestic terrorism from White Americans halted this progress and re-introduced a strict racial hierarchy. Southern states were not interested in educating Black people and this lasted until the mid 1950's when lawsuits and the Civil Rights movement started winning legal battles. Legal battles that were not settled until the late 1960s. We all know that after this, higher education was continuously made less affordable and added more and more debt load to the student, where before it was essentially free.

 If you do not view the entire context of what African American culture is towards education, without showing the damage and harm that white America inflicted on their fellow Americans you are being dishonest.

[Dan the Roman]

Well, he has some points, but I think his stats are skewed by the lower class low performers.
1 - Old stock african americans live disproportianelly in food deserts and that skews everything. Pretty sure the goverment can do soemthing about it, and help the white appalachians at the same time.
2 - Maybe take the"pro family" Moynihan approach on welfare.
3 - Maybe there should be some regulations about culture, about the music exposed to the children.
4 - Maybe being tough on crime but helping at the same time the minors on the family of the criminals may help a bit.
5 - I think a way to sell being a good student would be the Malcolm X approach. Well, this would to be a bit combined with other incentives and I don´t no major party would like to support it.

All of which are good points.

In the interests if disclosure my focus at the higher end comes from my own experience at a prep school where I helped advise applicants for college, with a bonus incentive structure. Most of those I worked with were black, Hispanic, East or South Asian.

My own experience is that the issue isn't the test scores. It is the non test score stuff. Harvard/Yale(other Ivies and schools have this to a degree but most are nowhere near as bad) want caractures and they will openly discriminate against more academic applicants within the groups.

I am not entirely opposed to a soft quota system. But especially in recent years Harvard and its counterparts seem to want their African American applicant from a $60,000 a year school to have a history of conflicts with the school/curriculum/peers/roommates over racism. They want stories of homophobia from gay applicants. They love if students went viral screaming at administrators or faculty.  Amazing if they acted as if they were on drugs screaming at a politician at an event.

So there is an active incentive to stage those conflicts. And I did so. I did so extremely convincingly and was rewarded amply.

But I hated it. The students hated it. And I watch the videos of these campuses. Not the Pro-Palestinian stuff. But how they dress. How they talk.  And I hate that is incentivised. And I hate the often white, usually female HR mediorcities who forced this on society.

Reading this article produced a strong reaction because when I read about this Dean I felt I knew her. Because I know exactly the type and managed to pander to them for three years.

And that's the worst part. They are dumb. They think they are in control but they are puddy in the hands of elite schools with infinite budgets to generate personal narratives.

It's just absurd that we now have schools almost literally staging "conflicts" to provide essay answers for admissions

[wnwnwn]

Well, he has some points, but I think his stats are skewed by the lower class low performers.
1 - Old stock african americans live disproportianelly in food deserts and that skews everything. Pretty sure the goverment can do soemthing about it, and help the white appalachians at the same time.
2 - Maybe take the"pro family" Moynihan approach on welfare.
3 - Maybe there should be some regulations about culture, about the music exposed to the children.
4 - Maybe being tough on crime but helping at the same time the minors on the family of the criminals may help a bit.
5 - I think a way to sell being a good student would be the Malcolm X approach. Well, this would to be a bit combined with other incentives and I don´t no major party would like to support it.

All of which are good points.

In the interests if disclosure my focus at the higher end comes from my own experience at a prep school where I helped advise applicants for college, with a bonus incentive structure. Most of those I worked with were black, Hispanic, East or South Asian.

My own experience is that the issue isn't the test scores. It is the non test score stuff. Harvard/Yale(other Ivies and schools have this to a degree but most are nowhere near as bad) want caractures and they will openly discriminate against more academic applicants within the groups.

I actually am entirely opposed to a soft quota system. But especially I recent years Harvard wants their African American applicant from a $60,000 a year school to have a history of conflicts with the school/curriculum/peers/roommates over racism. They want stories of homophobia from gay applicants. They love if students went viral screaming at administrators or faculty.  Amazing if they acted as if they were on drugs screaming at a politician at an event.

So there is an active incentive to stage those conflicts. And I did so. I did so extremely convincingly and was rewarded amply.

But I hated it. The students hated it. And I watch the videos of these campuses. Not the Pro-Palestinian stuff. But how they dress. How they talk.  And I hate that is incentivised. And I hate the often white, usually female HR mediorcities who forced this on society.

Reading this article produced a strong reaction because when I read about this Dean I felt I knew her. Because I know exactly the type and managed to pander to them for three years.

And that's the worst part. They are dumb. They think they are in control but they are puddy in the hands of elite schools with infinite budgets to generate personal narratives.

It's just absurd that we now have schools almost literally staging "conflicts" to provide essay answers for admissions

That's terrible. I throught Harvard and the Ivies wsntes people with the potential of becoming relevant (that including political activists), not just victims.

[Dan the Roman]

Well, he has some points, but I think his stats are skewed by the lower class low performers.
1 - Old stock african americans live disproportianelly in food deserts and that skews everything. Pretty sure the goverment can do soemthing about it, and help the white appalachians at the same time.
2 - Maybe take the"pro family" Moynihan approach on welfare.
3 - Maybe there should be some regulations about culture, about the music exposed to the children.
4 - Maybe being tough on crime but helping at the same time the minors on the family of the criminals may help a bit.
5 - I think a way to sell being a good student would be the Malcolm X approach. Well, this would to be a bit combined with other incentives and I don´t no major party would like to support it.

All of which are good points.

In the interests if disclosure my focus at the higher end comes from my own experience at a prep school where I helped advise applicants for college, with a bonus incentive structure. Most of those I worked with were black, Hispanic, East or South Asian.

My own experience is that the issue isn't the test scores. It is the non test score stuff. Harvard/Yale(other Ivies and schools have this to a degree but most are nowhere near as bad) want caractures and they will openly discriminate against more academic applicants within the groups.

I actually am entirely opposed to a soft quota system. But especially I recent years Harvard wants their African American applicant from a $60,000 a year school to have a history of conflicts with the school/curriculum/peers/roommates over racism. They want stories of homophobia from gay applicants. They love if students went viral screaming at administrators or faculty.  Amazing if they acted as if they were on drugs screaming at a politician at an event.

So there is an active incentive to stage those conflicts. And I did so. I did so extremely convincingly and was rewarded amply.

But I hated it. The students hated it. And I watch the videos of these campuses. Not the Pro-Palestinian stuff. But how they dress. How they talk.  And I hate that is incentivised. And I hate the often white, usually female HR mediorcities who forced this on society.

Reading this article produced a strong reaction because when I read about this Dean I felt I knew her. Because I know exactly the type and managed to pander to them for three years.

And that's the worst part. They are dumb. They think they are in control but they are puddy in the hands of elite schools with infinite budgets to generate personal narratives.

It's just absurd that we now have schools almost literally staging "conflicts" to provide essay answers for admissions

That's terrible. I throught Harvard and the Ivies wsntes people with the potential of becoming relevant (that including political activists), not just victims.

 It's the personal narrative stuff. Grades can be manipulated by teachers at any level of school. Tests can be coached by tutors affordable to the middle class.  A personal narrative of struggle and bringing progressive change to the lives of those in your community? That requires consultants who bill hundreds an hour!

The number one reason excellent applicants of all backgrounds fail to get in is because "nothing bad ever happened to them."

I didn't fully see this coming but in hindsight it's obvious that if a generation were admitted by appropriating oppression they would understand oppression as something you appropriate and conflate narratives with metrics when it comes to achievement.

[HisGrace]

You can't force equality of outcome guys. Putting people in an academic environment they are in reality not prepared for doesn't help them (as evidenced by the results of these standardized tests) and it isn't fair to the higher achieving people you turned down. As we see in the graph on the first page whites/Asians/Hispanics in the tenth percentile have less of a chance of getting in as blacks in the 50th percentile for whites and Hispanics and the 40th percentile for Asians. There is no argument whatsoever for that being just. Especially in light of the fact that blacks applying to these schools probably aren't even poor, they're just letting in upper class black kids with mediocre grades to virtue signal.

Add to that it's not even like this is liberal arts or something. It's pretty damn important that you have the most competent doctors possible, not ones who flunk basic anatomy exams.

If you want equality of outcome you need equality of process, it's pretty clear black students are on some level being let down in the primary school system with how much worse they do than everyone else. Of course I haven't heard one single suggestion for fixing that in this thread from the usual red avs, just apologia for systematic racial discrimination in education.

Ok so lets talk about this.
Where are you guys on this scale?

It isn't happening(fake news which I agree is within the realm of possibility, so far the reporter at hand hasn't really done it.)
It is happening but its not such a big deal
It is happening but its a good thing.

At least they moved on from the denial stage relatively quickly in this thread (page 2) so that's progress I guess. Usually it takes months.

[Badger]

More attacking by name and distracting from the topic. Last time you tried the same with John D Sailer and it turns out he was earlier than the NYT even if his source was iffy. Nice try. Sibarium is a good reporter who got a dean from Harvard take down.

John Sailer is an idiot.

And I'm guessing "dean from Harvard take down" was a Rufo/Alckman tier hatchet job from the far right.

If this is the kind of source you find reputable, I will be sure to treat your future thread postings with the appropriate level of credulity.

I agree the sources are anonymous which is why I put a question mark. I always remain skeptical of anonymous sources but Sibarium is a good reporter who you dislike because of his focus. If you wish to attack the usage of anonymous sources I am fine with that but trying to distract from the thread by calling every right wing reporter a idiot because you don't like them is derailing the thread.

Oof. Yellow Avatar triggering confirmed.

[jojoju1998]

You can't force equality of outcome guys. Putting people in an academic environment they are in reality not prepared for doesn't help them (as evidenced by the results of these standardized tests) and it isn't fair to the higher achieving people you turned down. As we see in the graph on the first page whites/Asians/Hispanics in the tenth percentile have less of a chance of getting in as blacks in the 50th percentile for whites and Hispanics and the 40th percentile for Asians. There is no argument whatsoever for that being just. Especially in light of the fact that blacks applying to these schools probably aren't even poor, they're just letting in upper class black kids with mediocre grades to virtue signal.

Add to that it's not even like this is liberal arts or something. It's pretty damn important that you have the most competent doctors possible, not ones who flunk basic anatomy exams.

If you want equality of outcome you need equality of process, it's pretty clear black students are on some level being let down in the primary school system with how much worse they do than everyone else. Of course I haven't heard one single suggestion for fixing that in this thread from the usual red avs, just apologia for systematic racial discrimination in education.

Ok so lets talk about this.
Where are you guys on this scale?

It isn't happening(fake news which I agree is within the realm of possibility, so far the reporter at hand hasn't really done it.)
It is happening but its not such a big deal
It is happening but its a good thing.

At least they moved on from the denial stage relatively quickly in this thread (page 2) so that's progress I guess. Usually it takes months.

I mean, one thing that could help is upgrading our math education. We rank among the lowest in the develoepd world for math scores.

[GP270watch]

Add to that it's not even like this is liberal arts or something. It's pretty damn important that you have the most competent doctors possible, not ones who flunk basic anatomy exams.

 For who is it important? We know that when Black people have Black doctors they have better patient outcomes across all types of medicine.

Do Black patients fare better with Black doctors?

[HisGrace]

Add to that it's not even like this is liberal arts or something. It's pretty damn important that you have the most competent doctors possible, not ones who flunk basic anatomy exams.

 For who is it important? We know that when Black people have Black doctors they have better patient outcomes across all types of medicine.

Do Black patients fare better with Black doctors?

Presumably those black doctors didn't flunk their medical exams and get passed through for "dIVerSiTY" though since that statistic has been around a lot longer than this kind of nonsense has been going on.

[GP270watch]

Add to that it's not even like this is liberal arts or something. It's pretty damn important that you have the most competent doctors possible, not ones who flunk basic anatomy exams.

 For who is it important? We know that when Black people have Black doctors they have better patient outcomes across all types of medicine.

Do Black patients fare better with Black doctors?

Presumably those black doctors didn't flunk their medical exams and get passed through for "dIVerSiTY" though since that statistic has been around a lot longer than this kind of nonsense has been going on.

  I was watching this video a couple weeks ago where this very accomplished Black physician talked about his struggles in medicine and the way that Black medical candidates and doctors are treated. The idea that Black people that want to go into medicine are being coddled or that the bar is being lowered for them is a fantasy.

‘It was stolen from me’: Black doctors are forced out of training programs at far higher rates than white residents