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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2023, 07:43:12 PM »

Can we stop it with the multiple threads asking this same f****** stupid a** question please? It's seriously annoying at this point.
This not a stupid question at all. It's very important that Trump doesn't gets away with crimes.

January 6 was both terrorism and treason.


You've just listed the reasons why asking this question is stupid.
Antonio's post proves that it is not.


It does nothing of the sort.
whatever
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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2023, 10:16:25 PM »

If he pardoned Trump I would never vote for the Democratic party again.
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« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2023, 12:26:11 PM »

The president should not be eligible for a pardon
This is true but it reminds me of a bit from a Legal Eagle video as to why the President has such broad pardon power, the reason is that the Founding Fathers assumed that because it wasn't a hereditary position and required so many hoops to jump through to get that the office the Presidency would only ever be held by the most virtuous of men and thus there wasn't much risk in the pardon power being abused...and even if by some fluke some reprobate was able to get in there was already a procedure in place that would allow for his removal in impeachment so there it wasn't something to worry about.

Probably the single most hilariously naive Founding Father assumption frankly.

This is a pretty silly and transparently incorrect thing to believe, since the broad power the U.S. president has to issue pardons is derived from an explicitly English tradition.  The British monarch's power to pardon is similarly absolute.
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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2023, 12:32:41 PM »

The president should not be eligible for a pardon
This is true but it reminds me of a bit from a Legal Eagle video as to why the President has such broad pardon power, the reason is that the Founding Fathers assumed that because it wasn't a hereditary position and required so many hoops to jump through to get that the office the Presidency would only ever be held by the most virtuous of men and thus there wasn't much risk in the pardon power being abused...and even if by some fluke some reprobate was able to get in there was already a procedure in place that would allow for his removal in impeachment so there it wasn't something to worry about.

Probably the single most hilariously naive Founding Father assumption frankly.

This is a pretty silly and transparently incorrect thing to believe, since the broad power the U.S. president has to issue pardons is derived from an explicitly English tradition.  The British monarch's power to pardon is similarly absolute.

Correct but that's the sort of power the Founding Fathers were trying to avoid. This was an exception for the above reasons.
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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2023, 12:48:50 PM »
« Edited: April 13, 2023, 12:51:52 PM by Mr.Barkari Sellers »

Why would he do such a thing and Rs are going after Biden on Hunter Laptop Biden is still under independent council review but Trump can be Prosecuted that's why he wants to be Prez, Biden can only be impeached and Biden won't be impeached by 5 R H

Even if Trump is pardoned or Acquitted the DOJ said that he can be sued for Defamation that they will do once he loses Eday and he is gonna lose Casey is up 25 pts


Swalwell said he will come after Trump in 25 for Torts and Civil Lawsuits there are no Special Damages mo Hospital bills but General Damages 250 K dollars

Special Damages give you 500 M
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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2023, 02:49:18 PM »

I think there should be a numerical limit on the number of pardons or commutations the President can give in a year, say 1000. And then I think any pardon or commutation should be able to be overridden by a large majority of Congress (say 90%).

The danger is if the President loses his/her mind, or becomes jaded and doesn't gaf anymore, and decides to pardon a bunch of murderers, or even blanket pardons everybody in the world for any and all past federal crimes. That would be a disaster and as it stands right now, if it happened, it would go through. You'd need a lightning speed Constitutional Amendment to stop it, but no matter how fast you did it, dangerous criminals would get court orders for their release before that happened. It would be a huge CF.
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« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2023, 07:38:54 PM »

F*** no! And thankfully he never will.
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« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2023, 09:35:48 PM »


What would be the reason to pardon Trump? It's got to be a good reasoning, a sound reasoning, and the only reason Trump should be pardoned is if the person doing the pardoning is daft. Biden is not that.
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« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2023, 09:42:47 PM »

NO!  

Imagine a reverse situation, except that while Trump’s RL crimes were serious, Biden is simply caught jaywalking.  Yet due to technically in law, Biden’s life depends a pardon from Trump. Trump is the type of human scum who wouldn’t pardon a political opponent even then.

Biden doesn’t have to be Jesus.
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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2023, 06:24:56 AM »

Uh no!

Nixon should've gone to jail. Pardons strike to me as unconstitutional...
You bypass the courts, the criminal justice system as a whole. They're also politically motivated. How are they even legal to begin with?
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« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2023, 03:55:06 PM »

Uh no!

Nixon should've gone to jail. Pardons strike to me as unconstitutional...
You bypass the courts, the criminal justice system as a whole. They're also politically motivated. How are they even legal to begin with?
How can someone specifically specified in Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution be unconstitutional?

(It would be unconstitutional for the President to issue a pardon for a state crime like Trump is currently charged with but no President has even attempted to do that.)
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« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2023, 03:56:07 PM »

No, but I wouldn't be too shocked if he did.
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« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2023, 03:08:50 AM »

Uh no!

Nixon should've gone to jail. Pardons strike to me as unconstitutional...
You bypass the courts, the criminal justice system as a whole. They're also politically motivated. How are they even legal to begin with?
How can someone specifically specified in Article II, Section 2, Clause 1 of the Constitution be unconstitutional?

(It would be unconstitutional for the President to issue a pardon for a state crime like Trump is currently charged with but no President has even attempted to do that.)

I'm not saying its unconstitutional, I'm saying it should be. Pardons bypass everything important with the legal system.
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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2023, 08:58:15 AM »

He can't pardon Trump he has Hunter Biden Laptop are the RS if they get back in power gonna Pardon Biden with Hunter Biden no, users act like Biden is totally innocent why do you think it's a very tight Eday because D's won't run RFK Jr just like in 2016 they had Martin O'Malley they stuck with Hillary, Biden is still the fav but he isn't gonna pardon anyone

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