Which America would you prefer?

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

United States of America

Population: 175,000,000
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Geography: OTL USA minus the old CSA+KY/WV/NM with the exception of the northern third of Virginia and the top four and two easternmost counties of West Virginia.
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Demographics:

Race:
65% White
16% Asian
9% Black
7% Latino
2% Native American

Religion:
51% Christian
36% Athiest/Agnostic
5% Jewish
2% Hindu
2% Buddhist
1% Muslim
3% Other

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GDP: $18.6 Billion (#1)
GDP/C: $106,285 (#3)
HDI: .952 (#3)
GINI: 34.5
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Press Freedom: Good (#14)
Personal Freedom: Good (#3)
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Abortion: Legal until 32 weeks, after that only in cases of rape/incest and danger.
Gay Marriage: Legal since 2004 nationwide, in some states since 1992.
Slavery: Banned since 1790.
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The United States of America is one of the most developed nations on earth and is a shining beacon of hope and freedom for those around the world. Ranking near the top in press and personal freedom rankings the nation is the world's longest-lasting democracy and has among the best health care systems in the world along with high life expectancies and low obesity rates.

The government is of the federal constitutional republic model, with a strong executive and two houses of congress (legislature) in the House and the Senate. The third branch is the judicial. The US is also notable for being a safe haven for getting an abortion or hosting a same-sex wedding due to the long time acceptance of both practices.

The government's policy changes frequently, although the country has a strong Nordic model inspired welfare state, albeit somewhat less comprehensive. The nation is the biggest creditor in the world, and has a low amount of debt despite the recent pandemic (which killed over 5,000) due to the sound fiscal policies of the conservative President Kirsten Gillibrand.

LIST OF PRESIDENTS:
1. George Washington (F): March 4, 1789-March 4, 1797
2. John Adams (F): March 4, 1797-March 4, 1801
3. Alexander Hamilton (F): March 4, 1801-July 19, 1804
4. James Madison (AF): July 19, 1804-March 4, 1809
5. John Laurens (F): March 4, 1809-March 4, 1817
6. Gouverneur Morris (U): March 4, 1817-August 3, 1818
7. James Madison (U): August 3, 1818-March 4, 1821
8. Charles P. Sumner (F): March 4, 1821-March 4, 1829
9. Martin Van Buren (U): March 4, 1829-March 4, 1833
10. Samuel Crafts (U): March 4, 1833-March 4, 1837
11. Daniel Webster (F): March 4, 1837-September 9, 1844
12. John Brown (F): September 9, 1844-March 4, 1845
13. John Fremont (U): March 4, 1845-March 4, 1849
14. Abraham Lincoln (U): March 4, 1849-March 4, 1857
15. William Seward (F): March 4, 1857-March 4, 1861
16. Benjamin Wade (F): March 4, 1861-April 30, 1861
17. Rutherford Hayes (F): April 30, 1861-March 4, 1865
18. Benjamin Harrison (D): March 4, 1865-March 4, 1869
19. James Garfield (R): March 4, 1869-March 4, 1877
20. Ulysses Grant (R): March 4, 1877-March 4, 1881
21. Chester Arthur (D): March 4, 1881-October 17, 1887
22. Grover Cleveland (D): October 17, 1887-December 8, 1888
23. Fredrick Douglass (R): December 8, 1888-March 4, 1889
24. James Blaine (R): March 4, 1889-March 4, 1893
25. William McKinley (R): March 4, 1893-March 4, 1897
26. William Jennings Bryan (D): March 4, 1897-March 4, 1901
27. Theodore Roosevelt (R): March 4, 1901-March 4, 1909
28. William Howard Taft (D): March 4, 1909-March 4, 1913
29. Charles Fairbanks (R): March 4, 1913-January 2, 1914
30. Charles Evans Hughes (R): January 2, 1914-March 4, 1917
31. Patrick Joseph Kennedy (D): March 4, 1917-March 4, 1921
32. George Shima (R): March 4, 1921-March 4, 1925
33. Warren G. Harding (R): March 4, 1925-March 4, 1929
34. Calvin Coolidge (R): March 4, 1929-March 4, 1933
35. Herbert Lehman (D): March 4, 1933-March 4, 1941
36. Benjamin Davis Sr. (D): March 4, 1941-March 4, 1949
37. Harry Truman (D): March 4, 1949-March 4, 1953
38. Earl Warren (R): March 4, 1953-March 4, 1961
39. Margaret Chase-Smith (R): March 4, 1961-March 4, 1965
40. Martin Luther King Jr. (D): March 4, 1965-March 4, 1973
41. John F. Kennedy (D): March 4, 1973-September 2, 1975
42. Gerald Ford (D): September 2, 1975-March 4, 1977
43. Shirley Chisholm (R): March 4, 1977-March 4, 1981
44. George HW Bush (D): March 4, 1981-March 4, 1989
45. Charles Percy (D): March 4, 1989-June 4, 1991
46. Lawrence Hogan (D): June 4, 1991-March 4, 1993
47. Ann Richards (R): March 4, 1993-March 4, 2001
48. Dianne Feinstein (R): March 4, 2001-March 4, 2005
49. William Weld (D): March 4, 2005-March 4, 2009
50. Barack Obama (R): March 4, 2009-March 4, 2017
51. Hillary Rodham (R): March 4, 2017-March 4, 2021
52. Kirsten Gillibrand (D): March 4, 2021-January 14, 2022
53. Charlie Baker (D): Assumes Office on January 14, 2022 when resignation takes effect.
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Confederation of Southern America

Population: 160,000,000
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Geography: Old CSA plus NM/KY/WV minus the northern third of Virginia and the northernmost four and easternmost two counties in WV.
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Demographics:

Race:
64% White
30% Black
6% Latino

Religion:
96% Christian (official religion)
3% Atheist/Agnostic
1% Jewish
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GDP: $4.6 Billion (#4)
GDP/C: $28,750 (#43)
HDI: .804 (#63)
GINI: 51.0
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Press Freedom: Noticeable Problems (#71)
Personal Freedom: Satisfactory (#59)
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Abortion: Illegal unless deathly danger to the mother.
Gay Marriage: Prohibited along with civil unions by 1993 constitutional amendment.
Slavery: Banned since 1930 in some states, prohibited since 1962 nationwide.
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The Confederation of Gilead Southern America is a nation in North America, bordered exclusively by the United States of America. The Confederation is one of the most controversial nations on earth, having only banned slavery completely in 1962 (fourty years after every other western hemisphere nation). The country was formed following the 1787 split between the US and the CSA following the constitutional convention walkout.

The nation was a constitutional monarchy until 1920, when a referendum abolished it.

The country is often criticized in comparison to its highly developed and multicultural northern neighbor, but is praised by some for the official religion (the Southern Baptist brand) and strong penalties against abortion, with doctors and women who have abortions being sentenced to prison terms and hefty fines (the death penalty for providing abortions was banned in 1998, but the last execution for either was way back in 1991).

This is also a point of criticism as well as many around the world (particularly in the US) point out how hypocritical it is for a nation 'founded on christian values' to routinely ignore key tenets of the religion, like helping the sick (only developed nation without guaranteed health care) or the poor (no government subsidies for food or medical treatment) as the government says churchs should handle it (which is often mocked on the American TV show Last Week in Hell with John Oliver, which often points out the private jets owned by pastors who preach at government-subsidized churches.

LIST OF MONARCHS:
King John I (1788-1792)
King Edward-Randolph I (1792-1807)
King Charles I (1807-1810)
King Charles II (1810-1813)
King James I (1813-1851)
King John II (1851-1861)
King James II (1861-1880)
King James III (1880-1918)
King James IV (1918-1920)

LIST OF PRESIDENTS:
(limited to one consecutive elected 2-year term from 1788 until 1819)
(limited to one consecutive elected 4-year term from 1819 until 1885)
(limited to one consecutive elected 6-year term from 1885 until 1902)
(limited to two consecutive elected 6-year terms from 1902 until 1945)
(no limit from 1945 until)

1. Charles Pinckney (F): April 10, 1788-April 10, 1790
2. Thomas Jefferson (A): April 10, 1790-April 10, 1792
3. Richard Henry Lee (A): April 10, 1792-April 10, 1794
4. Abraham Baldwin (A): April 10, 1794-April 10, 1796
5. George Mason (A): April 10, 1796-June 18, 1797*
6. Edmund Randolph (A): June 18, 1797-April 10, 1800
7. John Rutledge (A): April 10, 1800-April 10, 1802
8. Thomas Jefferson (A): April 10, 1802-April 10, 1804
9. Pierce Butler (F): April 10, 1804-April 10, 1806
10. William Davie (A): April 10, 1806-April 10, 1808
11. Hugh Williamson (A): April 10, 1808-April 10, 1810
12. Thomas Jefferson (A): April 10, 1810-April 10, 1812
13. James McClurg (A): April 10, 1812-April 10, 1814
14. Thomas Jefferson (A): April 10, 1814-April 10, 1816
15. Alexander Martin (F): April 10, 1816-May 12, 1816**
16. Richard Dobbs Spaight (F): May 12, 1816-April 10, 1818
17. James Monroe (A): April 10, 1818-April 10, 1822
18. William Few (F): April 10, 1822-April 10, 1826
19. James Monroe (A): April 10, 1826-April 10, 1830
20. William King (A): April 10, 1830-April 10, 1834
21. David Holmes (A): April 10, 1834-August 8, 1836***
22. George Poindexter (A): August 8, 1836-April 10, 1842
23. Benjamin Fitzpatrick (A): April 10, 1842-April 10, 1846
24. Jefferson Davis (A): April 10, 1846-April 10, 1850
25. Franklin Pierce (F): April 10, 1850-April 10, 1854
26. James Buchanan (F): April 10, 1854-April 10, 1858
27. Jefferson Davis (A): April 10, 1858-April 10, 1862
28. Alexander Stephens (A): April 10, 1862-April 10, 1866
29. Wade Hampton III (A): April 10, 1866-April 10, 1870
30. John Armfield (A): April 10, 1870-April 10, 1874
31. Thomas S. Jackson (F): April 10, 1874-April 10, 1878
32. Nathan Bedford Forrest (A): April 10, 1878-April 10, 1882
33. Wade Hampton III (F): April 10, 1882-April 10, 1886
34. Benjamin Tillman (A): April 10, 1886-April 10, 1892
35. Richard Reed (A): April 10, 1892-April 10, 1898
36. Benjamin Tillman (A): April 10, 1898-April 10, 1910
37. James K. Vardaman (A): April 10, 1910-April 10, 1916
38. Woodrow Wilson (F): April 10, 1916-April 10, 1922
39. William Nix-Houston (F): April 10, 1922-April 10, 1928
39. James K. Vardaman (A): April 10, 1928-August 6, 1931****
-Acting- Alf Hilter (A): August 6, 1931-August 19, 1931*****
40. Huey Long (A): August 19, 1931-April 10, 1934
41. Daniel Nix-Houston (D): April 10, 1934-September 15, 1959******
42. William Nix-Houston II (D): September 15, 1959-April 10, 1970
43. Jimmy Carter (L): April 10, 1970-December 28, 1971*******
-General George Wallace (Military): December 28, 1971-January 14, 1972********
44. William Nix-Houston III (D): January 14, 1972-April 10, 1982*********
45. Jerry Falwell Sr. (D): April 10, 1982-April 10, 1988
46. Ted Bundy (D): April 10, 1988-August 31, 1992**********
47. Ron Paul (D): August 31, 1992-April 10, 1994
48. Bill Clinton (L): April 10, 1994-April 10, 2000
49. Jerry Falwell Sr. (D): April 10, 2000-April 10, 2006
50. Tate Reeves (D): April 10, 2006-April 10, 2012
51. Jerry Falwell Jr. (D): April 10, 2012-April 10, 2018
52. David Price (L): April 10, 2018-June 5, 2020***********
53. Cindy Hyde-Smith (D): June 5, 2020-Incumbent

*=Died of pancreatic cancer
**=Died of influenza
***=Died of colon cancer
****=Assasinated by long-range sniper
*****=Served as acting president due to VP office being vacant until legislature convened.
******=Resigned in deal to give up power.
*******=Desposed in coup when capital was raided, whole family and associates flee to US.
********=Leader of the military coup.
*********=Appointed new President.
**********=Resigned in exchange for ''a few hundred million dollars'' and covering up several murders against the populace.
***********=Resigned after being stricken with COVID-19.

EXTREMEly cuRious to sEe how many members really would Put Up with Being residents/Living In a near-ChristiAN theocracy vs a liberal democracy. I can only think of one.

[S019]

obviously the United States of America

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Write-in: the actual America, which is made of rocks and dirt and not, so to speak, straw.

[Battista Minola 1616]

This lazy and sloppy attempt to own the poor evil southrons is neither interesting nor funny (nor remotely realistic or historically-based of course). Find better material, the Bush era ended thirteen years ago.

[Samof94]

I’d obviously pick that universe’s USA. The CSA is awful and socially backwards!!!

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

I would actively move to the CSA, probably Louisiana, assuming that's where the Catholic Church is not banned, if it were banned in Virginia. Geaux Tigahs! Bet the USA would have zero national championships this century.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

This would never happen as the CSA would have backed the nazis and more stuff doesn't sound right, but even considering that hypothetical scenario you present is true, obviously the USA. I doubt the CSA would be the fourth largest economy in the world tho, and it might have had less immigration. If slavery was only banned in 1960, blacks would certainly still be systematically been indiscriminated and not been integrated by a level that they would be able to contribute substantially to an increasingly diversifying and computionalizing economy. The USA/CSA would have behaved differently during both world wars, and might not have made that enormous leap forward they would have done in our lifetime,  in this timeline. Also sooner or later this would turn into a conflict, especially since the USA would be far more liberal than the CSA given civil rights and major international conflicts we had in our timeline.

If the CSA still practiced slavery, they would never join USA in WW2 and fight the nazi's. They might be morally even more repugnant than the nazi's, and the great depression would certainly have impacted the CSA as well as the rise of those ideologies. And surviving WW1 would have been a challenge too, as they'd likely not would have joined the allies and imperial Germany might have tried to ally them, leading to a conflict on the American mainland.

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Also who made that TL. Alf Hilter acting president in the 1930s, seriously?

Also does the D in CSA stand for Democratic Party. Why would the Democratic Party (even if conservative variant in USA) want to associate theirselves with a democratic party of the CSA. The names would have been changed a long time ago.

[Reaganfan Democrat]

I would actively move to the CSA, probably Louisiana, assuming that's where the Catholic Church is not banned, if it were banned in Virginia. Geaux Tigahs! Bet the USA would have zero national championships this century.

Honestly, I am thinking of moving to NOLA. (climate is a major turnoff though...) We could be neighbors!

But as you well know, I'm always thinking of moving because I am restless.

[Thank you for being a friend...]

USA.  I can do without Cindy Hyde-Smith and the pearl-clutching crowd lecturing to me their concept of Biblical virtue.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

...a nation in North America, bordered exclusively by the United States of America.

Did a nuclear war wipe out Mexico?

[They not like us]

I feel like the question is "are you a racist or not"