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« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2020, 01:11:35 PM »

Seems like an unnecessary risk for someone in their mid-80s, but it's her choice.  Hopefully she stays safe and healthy for years to come.

Yeah, lfromnj deserves full credit for that nickname. I think it's an apt (and obviously sarcastic) description of a certain type of conservative.

I like it, but I prefer the term "Wine Cave Conservative", which I just thought of at work last night, inspired by the infamous mayor Pete photo-op. 
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« Reply #26 on: September 02, 2020, 01:28:03 PM »

What is she supposed to do? Stay locked down at home under 24/7 medical supervision? She's a person, you know...

Until Trump’s out of office, that’s exactly what she should be doing.  If it’s inconvenient...well...maybe she should’ve thought of that before deciding not to step down during Obama’s first term.
She's a human being, not your personal slave on the court. What a disgusting, and callous post. I hope RBG keeps on trucking on. She's an icon, and she's brilliant, and while I don't like her judicial philosophy, I can still see beyond basic partisan hackery.

Being a public official means that one's duty to their country comes before one's personal whims.  It means that you have a responsibility to put your country first, even at your personal expense.  It's about service and sometimes that means you have to inconvenience yourself a bit because it's what the country needs from you.  There is nothing partisan about any of that, although I can't say I'm surprised to see that a Trump supporter is angered and confused by the idea that public service being more than just furthering the public official's own personal whims and preferences.  The true meaning of the words "country first" has been an anathema to you guys for years.

Ginsberg has done plenty of great things, but she also made a choice not to step down during Obama's first term.  That was a mistake that could have serious consequences with the potential to do generations of serious, lasting damage to both this country and its people.  As far as I'm concerned, she owes it to the American people to do everything in her power to ensure that she survives Trump's time in office (and hopefully she lives well past that).  Whatever inconveniences she has to put up with to increase the chances of that are merely consequences of a choice she already made.  
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« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2020, 01:32:07 PM »

What is she supposed to do? Stay locked down at home under 24/7 medical supervision? She's a person, you know...

Until Trump’s out of office, that’s exactly what she should be doing.  If it’s inconvenient...well...maybe she should’ve thought of that before deciding not to step down during Obama’s first term.
She's a human being, not your personal slave on the court. What a disgusting, and callous post. I hope RBG keeps on trucking on. She's an icon, and she's brilliant, and while I don't like her judicial philosophy, I can still see beyond basic partisan hackery.

Being a public official means that one's duty to their country comes before one's personal whims.  It means that you have a responsibility to put your country first, even at your personal expense.  It's about service and sometimes that means you have to inconvenience yourself a bit because it's what the country needs from you.  There is nothing partisan about any of that, although I can't say I'm surprised to see that a Trump supporter is angered and confused by the idea that public service being more than just furthering the public official's own personal whims and preferences.  The true meaning of the words "country first" has been an anathema to you guys for years.

Ginsberg has done plenty of great things, but she also made a choice not to step down during Obama's first term.  That was a mistake that could have serious consequences with the potential to do generations of serious, lasting damage to both this country and its people.  As far as I'm concerned, she owes it to the American people to do everything in her power to ensure that she survives Trump's time in office (and hopefully she lives well past that).  Whatever inconveniences she has to put up with to increase the chances of that are merely consequences of a choice she already made. 

Your political views don't get to determine when someone should retire. RBG has no "responsibility" and your party does not own her seat on the court.
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« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2020, 01:47:31 PM »

What is she supposed to do? Stay locked down at home under 24/7 medical supervision? She's a person, you know...

Until Trump’s out of office, that’s exactly what she should be doing.  If it’s inconvenient...well...maybe she should’ve thought of that before deciding not to step down during Obama’s first term.
She's a human being, not your personal slave on the court. What a disgusting, and callous post. I hope RBG keeps on trucking on. She's an icon, and she's brilliant, and while I don't like her judicial philosophy, I can still see beyond basic partisan hackery.

Being a public official means that one's duty to their country comes before one's personal whims.  It means that you have a responsibility to put your country first, even at your personal expense.  It's about service and sometimes that means you have to inconvenience yourself a bit because it's what the country needs from you.  There is nothing partisan about any of that, although I can't say I'm surprised to see that a Trump supporter is angered and confused by the idea that public service being more than just furthering the public official's own personal whims and preferences.  The true meaning of the words "country first" has been an anathema to you guys for years.

Ginsberg has done plenty of great things, but she also made a choice not to step down during Obama's first term.  That was a mistake that could have serious consequences with the potential to do generations of serious, lasting damage to both this country and its people.  As far as I'm concerned, she owes it to the American people to do everything in her power to ensure that she survives Trump's time in office (and hopefully she lives well past that).  Whatever inconveniences she has to put up with to increase the chances of that are merely consequences of a choice she already made. 

Your political views don't get to determine when someone should retire. RBG has no "responsibility" and your party does not own her seat on the court.

RBG is part of the liberal wing of the court, but certainly no one “owns” her. However she’s almost 90. It’s not unreasonable to say she might want to or should retire under the next President.
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« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2020, 01:47:31 PM »

What is she supposed to do? Stay locked down at home under 24/7 medical supervision? She's a person, you know...

Until Trump’s out of office, that’s exactly what she should be doing.  If it’s inconvenient...well...maybe she should’ve thought of that before deciding not to step down during Obama’s first term.
Life is dangerous in general. She could have a fall in her house. According to the Social Security actuarial tables, an 82-year old man (Stephen Breyer) has a 7% chance of dying within a year, and it's probably higher now with COVID rampant. That seems like a real chance of dying before January 2021 to me, but I don't see anyone asking for him to stay sheltered. Obviously, Ginsburg, being 87 with cancer, would have a higher chance than that, but she is otherwise healthy and is receiving excellent medical care, and has been for years.

Even if she was on the death bed, so to speak, if you had incurable cancer at age 87, would you not want to enjoy your precious little remaining time, rather than dying trapped at home alone? It's not even guaranteed Trump loses the election. She's not attending big public events, she is just spending some time outdoors with people she cares about. Ginsburg knows what she did when she decided not to retire in the Obama years, and I'm sure she's fully at peace with her decision and her service to the Court and her country.
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« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2020, 01:51:47 PM »
« Edited: September 02, 2020, 01:55:12 PM by From Prussia With Love »

What is she supposed to do? Stay locked down at home under 24/7 medical supervision? She's a person, you know...

Until Trump’s out of office, that’s exactly what she should be doing.  If it’s inconvenient...well...maybe she should’ve thought of that before deciding not to step down during Obama’s first term.
She's a human being, not your personal slave on the court. What a disgusting, and callous post. I hope RBG keeps on trucking on. She's an icon, and she's brilliant, and while I don't like her judicial philosophy, I can still see beyond basic partisan hackery.

Being a public official means that one's duty to their country comes before one's personal whims.  It means that you have a responsibility to put your country first, even at your personal expense.  It's about service and sometimes that means you have to inconvenience yourself a bit because it's what the country needs from you.  There is nothing partisan about any of that, although I can't say I'm surprised to see that a Trump supporter is angered and confused by the idea that public service being more than just furthering the public official's own personal whims and preferences.  The true meaning of the words "country first" has been an anathema to you guys for years.

Ginsberg has done plenty of great things, but she also made a choice not to step down during Obama's first term.  That was a mistake that could have serious consequences with the potential to do generations of serious, lasting damage to both this country and its people.  As far as I'm concerned, she owes it to the American people to do everything in her power to ensure that she survives Trump's time in office (and hopefully she lives well past that).  Whatever inconveniences she has to put up with to increase the chances of that are merely consequences of a choice she already made.  

Your political views don't get to determine when someone should retire. RBG has no "responsibility" and your party does not own her seat on the court.

RBG is part of the liberal wing of the court, but certainly no one “owns” her. However she’s almost 90. It’s not unreasonable to say she might want to or should retire under the next President.
Then why not retire now? If you think the seat is not owned by the Democrats, why should she have to wait until Trump is out of office. There is no constitutional requirement to keep the court balanced in one side or anothers favor.
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« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2020, 01:58:48 PM »

What is she supposed to do? Stay locked down at home under 24/7 medical supervision? She's a person, you know...

Until Trump’s out of office, that’s exactly what she should be doing.  If it’s inconvenient...well...maybe she should’ve thought of that before deciding not to step down during Obama’s first term.
She's a human being, not your personal slave on the court. What a disgusting, and callous post. I hope RBG keeps on trucking on. She's an icon, and she's brilliant, and while I don't like her judicial philosophy, I can still see beyond basic partisan hackery.

Being a public official means that one's duty to their country comes before one's personal whims.  It means that you have a responsibility to put your country first, even at your personal expense.  It's about service and sometimes that means you have to inconvenience yourself a bit because it's what the country needs from you.  There is nothing partisan about any of that, although I can't say I'm surprised to see that a Trump supporter is angered and confused by the idea that public service being more than just furthering the public official's own personal whims and preferences.  The true meaning of the words "country first" has been an anathema to you guys for years.

Ginsberg has done plenty of great things, but she also made a choice not to step down during Obama's first term.  That was a mistake that could have serious consequences with the potential to do generations of serious, lasting damage to both this country and its people.  As far as I'm concerned, she owes it to the American people to do everything in her power to ensure that she survives Trump's time in office (and hopefully she lives well past that).  Whatever inconveniences she has to put up with to increase the chances of that are merely consequences of a choice she already made. 

Your political views don't get to determine when someone should retire. RBG has no "responsibility" and your party does not own her seat on the court.

RBG is part of the liberal wing of the court, but certainly no one “owns” her. However she’s almost 90. It’s not unreasonable to say she might want to or should retire under the next President.
Then why not retire now? If you think the seat is not owned by the Democrats, why should she have to wait until Trump is out of office. If jdb read the constitution, he'd know that there is no constitutional requirement to keep the court balanced in one side or anothers favor.

She’s not stupid. Do really think RBG wants to be replaced by a right wing hack? She knows full well what would happen if she left before Trump’s term ends. It’s not just about what other Democrats want, have you ever considered what she thinks? Maybe she doesn’t feel right leaving when Trump could replace her whenever.
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« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2020, 02:07:28 PM »

What is she supposed to do? Stay locked down at home under 24/7 medical supervision? She's a person, you know...

Until Trump’s out of office, that’s exactly what she should be doing.  If it’s inconvenient...well...maybe she should’ve thought of that before deciding not to step down during Obama’s first term.
She's a human being, not your personal slave on the court. What a disgusting, and callous post. I hope RBG keeps on trucking on. She's an icon, and she's brilliant, and while I don't like her judicial philosophy, I can still see beyond basic partisan hackery.

Being a public official means that one's duty to their country comes before one's personal whims.  It means that you have a responsibility to put your country first, even at your personal expense.  It's about service and sometimes that means you have to inconvenience yourself a bit because it's what the country needs from you.  There is nothing partisan about any of that, although I can't say I'm surprised to see that a Trump supporter is angered and confused by the idea that public service being more than just furthering the public official's own personal whims and preferences.  The true meaning of the words "country first" has been an anathema to you guys for years.

Ginsberg has done plenty of great things, but she also made a choice not to step down during Obama's first term.  That was a mistake that could have serious consequences with the potential to do generations of serious, lasting damage to both this country and its people.  As far as I'm concerned, she owes it to the American people to do everything in her power to ensure that she survives Trump's time in office (and hopefully she lives well past that).  Whatever inconveniences she has to put up with to increase the chances of that are merely consequences of a choice she already made. 

Your political views don't get to determine when someone should retire. RBG has no "responsibility" and your party does not own her seat on the court.

RBG is part of the liberal wing of the court, but certainly no one “owns” her. However she’s almost 90. It’s not unreasonable to say she might want to or should retire under the next President.
Then why not retire now? If you think the seat is not owned by the Democrats, why should she have to wait until Trump is out of office. If jdb read the constitution, he'd know that there is no constitutional requirement to keep the court balanced in one side or anothers favor.

She’s not stupid. Do really think RBG wants to be replaced by a right wing hack? She knows full well what would happen if she left before Trump’s term ends. It’s not just about what other Democrats want, have you ever considered what she thinks? Maybe she doesn’t feel right leaving when Trump could replace her whenever.
No, but I think RBG respects the constitution enough to allow the President to fill her seat if she can't do the job anymore. The seat belongs only to RBG, and it is hers for life. As long as she's living, theres nothing you guys can do about it.

All I see is a bunch of men who have zero accomplishments lecturing the most important woman in the history of our federal judiciary (well, alongside Sandra Day O'Connors) about how she should do (or in this case, not do) her job.

Why don't you guys just pray for her?
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« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2020, 02:23:15 PM »

No, but I think RBG respects the constitution enough to allow the President to fill her seat if she can't do the job anymore. The seat belongs only to RBG, and it is hers for life. As long as she's living, theres nothing you guys can do about it.

All I see is a bunch of men who have zero accomplishments lecturing the most important woman in the history of our federal judiciary (well, alongside Sandra Day O'Connors) about how she should do (or in this case, not do) her job.

Why don't you guys just pray for her?

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« Reply #34 on: September 18, 2020, 08:06:04 PM »

Good for her she at least had some last moments of being free and happy.  RIP
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« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2020, 09:01:39 PM »

Good for her she at least had some last moments of being free and happy.  RIP

Yeah, this was just 2 weeks ago, so she almost certainly knew what was coming & so decided to spend the time that she had left with friends & family. We should all hope to be able to do the same in our final days.
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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2020, 12:29:13 AM »

Seems like an unnecessary risk for someone in their mid-80s, but it's her choice.  Hopefully she stays safe and healthy for years to come.

Yeah, lfromnj deserves full credit for that nickname. I think it's an apt (and obviously sarcastic) description of a certain type of conservative.

I like it, but I prefer the term "Wine Cave Conservative", which I just thought of at work last night, inspired by the infamous mayor Pete photo-op. 

Rush Limbaugh had a similar such mockery for them going back to the 1990s. He would talk about how back in the 1990s, he would be at these elite functions on LI with a bunch of Republicans and some of them would come up to him and say, "You gotta do something about these christians..."

He placed the blame on them being married to feminists, and the precise term he used I will refrain from saying for potential TOS reasons.

Roberts still has conservative decisions but when it comes to the stuff that might outrage the DC libs the most who are the people he meets at social functions which is where the cocktail comes from. So he was willing to flip flop on that abortion decision but he was more than happy to put national RTW for all public unions. Funnily enough its not something I disagree too much with for a politician, however I  disapprove of it for judicial reasoning.

My respect for Roberts has gone down in recent years, mainly because it seems the one group that he is most keen on sticking to his guns for, is the people who paid the most via donations to Bush and the Republicans in the 2000s, to put him there.
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