Impeachments: How would you vote?

[darklordoftech]

Left of center: Convict Trump and Johnson, aquit Clinton.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

Convict Johnson and Trump, acquit Clinton.

I would've voted to convict Nixon.

[John Dule]

Convict Trump and Johnson. Clinton should've been acquitted for those charges, but impeached and removed for his vast array of legitimate sexual crimes, coverups, and trips to pedophile islands.

[Sestak]

Probably convict all.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Convict all three, impeach and convict many more US Presidents, probably more than half of them.

[Antonio the Sixth]

You know, what? Acquit Johnson, convict Clinton and T***p.

T***p is an open-and-shut case for anyone who isn't a desperate hack. I'm not entirely sure if Clinton did anything illegal, but regardless, his actions disgraced the office enough to make them impeachable regardless (and there is clear precedent for that). By contrast, I don't believe Johnson did anything illegal (the Tenure of Office Act was clearly unconstitutional) or bringing shame to the office (he engaged in heated political rhetoric, but if we impeached politicians over that we wouldn't have any politician left). So as much as the guy was an asshole he was clearly not guilty.

Also Nixon should have been impeached and convicted for Watergate had he not resigned (normal, sane), as should Reagan for Iran-Contra, and Dubya (and Cheney) for lying to Congress about WMDs and for the torture program.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

All three I would have voted to convict; consequently,  we had Nixon-Watergate, Reagan-Iran Contra, and Bush W-outing a CIA operative, that didnt go for trial in Senate; consequently, GoP dominated both Reagan and Bush W, admins and Nixon resigned.

[PSOL]

Convict all three, impeach and convict many more US Presidents, probably more than half of them.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

George W would of gotten impeached, that's why Pelosi went ahead with impeaching Trump, due to unfinished business with Bush W and outing whistleblower Valerie Plame. Who was a real whistleblower.

[HisGrace]

Trump and Clinton committed felonies and Johnson flaunted an act of congress. All three should have been/should be impeached and removed.

[brucejoel99]

Trump and Clinton committed felonies and Johnson flaunted an act of congress. All three should have been/should be impeached and removed.

An arguably unconstitutional act of congress.

[OSR stands with Israel]

You know, what? Acquit Johnson, convict Clinton and T***p.

T***p is an open-and-shut case for anyone who isn't a desperate hack. I'm not entirely sure if Clinton did anything illegal, but regardless, his actions disgraced the office enough to make them impeachable regardless (and there is clear precedent for that). By contrast, I don't believe Johnson did anything illegal (the Tenure of Office Act was clearly unconstitutional) or bringing shame to the office (he engaged in heated political rhetoric, but if we impeached politicians over that we wouldn't have any politician left). So as much as the guy was an asshole he was clearly not guilty.

Also Nixon should have been impeached and convicted for Watergate had he not resigned (normal, sane), as should Reagan for Iran-Contra, and Dubya (and Cheney) for lying to Congress about WMDs and for the torture program.

Congress had the same report Bush did on Iraq and they still voted for it .


And lol on Iran contra , as if Reagan should have been impeached over that then so would most Cold War presidents

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

You know, what? Acquit Johnson, convict Clinton and T***p.

T***p is an open-and-shut case for anyone who isn't a desperate hack. I'm not entirely sure if Clinton did anything illegal, but regardless, his actions disgraced the office enough to make them impeachable regardless (and there is clear precedent for that). By contrast, I don't believe Johnson did anything illegal (the Tenure of Office Act was clearly unconstitutional) or bringing shame to the office (he engaged in heated political rhetoric, but if we impeached politicians over that we wouldn't have any politician left). So as much as the guy was an asshole he was clearly not guilty.

Also Nixon should have been impeached and convicted for Watergate had he not resigned (normal, sane), as should Reagan for Iran-Contra, and Dubya (and Cheney) for lying to Congress about WMDs and for the torture program.

Congress had the same report Bush did on Iraq and they still voted for it .


And lol on Iran contra , as if Reagan should have been impeached over that then so would most Cold War presidents

Bush W would have been impeached over CIA operative Valerie Plame being outed by the Bush administration,  and Bush W had knowledge of it. It's illegal to tell ID of a covert agent; whereas, Scotter Libby was convicted of that also. BUSH W told Valerie Plame's ID, due to her husband saying that Saddam had no nukes. Also, firing of the US Attorneys in 2007, there was more than WMDs that Bush W could of been impeached

[HisGrace]

Trump and Clinton committed felonies and Johnson flaunted an act of congress. All three should have been/should be impeached and removed.

An arguably unconstitutional act of congress.

If it's unconstitutional he can challenge it in court. The President doesn't just get to decide on his own that a law is unconstitutional and then refuse to follow it.

[Higgins]

Acquit Clinton and Trump.
Convict Johnson.

[Kingpoleon]

From what I've read she's about as credible as the accusor brought by Miri Regev (Likud) from America to smear Benny Gantz in Israel- a very politically-charged accusation. It's possible that she's speaking the truth even if she uses it to support a person who has many more accusations of sexual assault, but it's not really enough to impeach a President, not until we hear something to corroborate it. And I don't respect anyone who peddles antisemitic theories, this stuff makes me immediately less trusting of a person: https://twitter.com/atensnut/status/1183750113908449280

Also, Katie Hill's conduct isn't disqualifying. What is disqualifying? Al Franken's conduct, for example.

No, she was a fundraiser for the Arkansas Democrats. She first voted Republican in 2016, and when Trump won, she called it finally “a victory in the decades long struggle against the man who raped me and his wife who threatened me.” For that? On her Facebook page, hundreds of Democrats flooded in, calling her a b*tch, a lying pig, a wh*re and every sexist slur you know. The Clintons are NOT good people - anyone else accused by such a credible victim, with multiple friends attesting to the fact, would have been tossed in jail.

Bill’s a deplorable, if charismatic man, and he knows the feminists in the Democratic Party will never turn on him. Gillibrand is the only Democrat I admire on that issue, for admitting he’s a rapist and an evil man.

[brucejoel99]

Trump and Clinton committed felonies and Johnson flaunted an act of congress. All three should have been/should be impeached and removed.

An arguably unconstitutional act of congress.

If it's unconstitutional he can challenge it in court. The President doesn't just get to decide on his own that a law is unconstitutional and then refuse to follow it.

The President, upon his inauguration &/or ascension to office, swears that he'll "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." If, according to his very best judgement, there's a law on the books which can't be reconciled with the Constitution, which plainly violates it, even with the most generous reading of both the Constitution & the law itself, then he has sworn an oath to uphold the Constitution, above all other laws. He must stop enforcing or defending that law, immediately, & seek to have it removed, in order to preserve & uphold the Constitution.

Is this not what Johnson did, thus upholding his duty (in this particular instance) to be a fair defender of the Constitution? Isn't it evident that Johnson was literally impeached because Congress passed a law to inevitably justify impeaching him?

(Of course, we all know that Johnson was really impeached for his having been a cantankerous, rambling, drunken fool who did nothing as black freedmen & Northern teachers were being slaughtered wholesale across the unreconstructed South, often by local law enforcement. But, then again, such being the case, perhaps the House should've simply impeached him for malfeasance, as impeachment partly exists to remedy, rather than pass a very shady law - that was, by wide agreement, considered unconstitutional - so as to lay a trap for Johnson.)

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[YE]

Left of center: Convict Trump and Johnson, aquit Clinton.

This probably but a bit iffy on Clinton. I believe he should have resigned but am not convinced he should have been convicted.

[Kingpoleon]

Convict all three.

[politicallefty]

Convict Johnson (I would dispute the notion that the Tenure of Office Act was unconstitutional.)
Acquit Clinton (In this day and age, I think he would've been forced to resign.)
Convict Trump (The articles against him barely scratch the surface in terms of impeachable offenses.)

[brucejoel99]

(I would dispute the notion that the Tenure of Office Act was unconstitutional.)

It's a clear violation of the separation of powers between the executive & legislative branches, though. Indeed, an examination of the notes of the Constitutional Convention showed that the Convention believed it was implicit in the Constitution that the President holds the exclusive power to remove his staff, whose existence was an extension of the President's own authority.