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Emsworth
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« on: December 22, 2005, 04:49:57 PM »

No.
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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2005, 04:52:08 PM »

Of course not. He did nothing wrong. The act was blatantly unconstitutional.

By the way, I'd be interested in getting your take on the other impeachment threads.
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2005, 04:58:30 PM »

Of course not. He did nothing wrong. The act was blatantly unconstitutional.
Agreed. Johnson was vindicated nearly sixty years later when the Supreme Court declared a similar law invalid.

What is amazing is that just a single vote more would have meant conviction and removal for Johnson. Had Johnson been convicted, Congress would have established a precedent for removing presidents over mere political differences. The system of checks and balances would have been upset, and the President would have been rendered subservient to the legislative branch.
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2005, 09:23:39 AM »

Actually, the same thing more or less happened anyways, for a couple of decades.

(And I would have voted no.)
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2005, 11:16:45 AM »

No, a President should be able to remove cabinet member.
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2005, 10:01:08 PM »

I would have, at the time. I wouldn't if I had hindsight.

I'd have been a radical Republican back then, singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic, reading Uncle Tom's Cabin, etc.
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« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2005, 12:19:07 PM »

No though he should have been tougher on the South.
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« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2005, 12:30:34 PM »

Yes, as I would've been a radical Republican.
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« Reply #8 on: December 24, 2005, 12:34:29 PM »

I would have, at the time. I wouldn't if I had hindsight.

I'd have been a radical Republican back then, singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic, reading Uncle Tom's Cabin, etc.

Yes, as I would've been a radical Republican.

No, you two would probably be bitching about Lincoln not having a majority of the popular vote in 1860, and claiming that he was a war-monger who was murdering 100,000 innocent southern civilians in his "war for cotton".  And God forbid Lincoln violate some traitor rebel terrorist's "civil liberties"!
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« Reply #9 on: December 24, 2005, 12:43:47 PM »

No, you two would probably be bitching about Lincoln not having a majority of the popular vote in 1860,

No because:

1-at least he got a plurality
2-I would've voted for him

and claiming that he was a war-monger who was murdering 100,000 innocent southern civilians in his "war for cotton".  And God forbid Lincoln violate some traitor rebel terrorist's "civil liberties"!

No, I would've loved him kicking the traitors' asses. My only problem is he didn't go far enough. Although in hindsight it probably would've been better if he would've let them leave.
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« Reply #10 on: December 24, 2005, 12:52:09 PM »

No, Stanton was a jackass anyway.
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« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2005, 11:20:53 PM »

No way. 
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« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2005, 12:09:21 AM »

Hell no
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« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2005, 08:07:22 PM »

No.

But I will say that we having Andrew Johnson as President at that time was the worst timespan for us to be under his leadership. We had great opportunities then, and many were squandered because of him.
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« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2005, 09:18:42 PM »

No, instead I would have tried to impeach the principle players from 39th and 40th congresses for some of the most blatant constitutional atrocities ever commited in US history.
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« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2005, 09:30:58 PM »

No.  As I understand it, he was impeached for violating a law passed by Congress over his veto prohibiting a president to fire a cabinet member without congressional approval.

The law was blatantly unconstitutional, and I would not have voted to impeach Johnson for violating it.
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« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2005, 09:31:16 PM »

No
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« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2005, 11:29:17 PM »

Of course not. He did nothing wrong. The act was blatantly unconstitutional.
Agreed. Johnson was vindicated nearly sixty years later when the Supreme Court declared a similar law invalid.

What is amazing is that just a single vote more would have meant conviction and removal for Johnson. Had Johnson been convicted, Congress would have established a precedent for removing presidents over mere political differences. The system of checks and balances would have been upset, and the President would have been rendered subservient to the legislative branch.

I disagree.  There is that nice 2/3 vote in the Senate and most of the time, it wouldn't have been there.
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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2005, 02:09:18 AM »

I would have, at the time. I wouldn't if I had hindsight.

I'd have been a radical Republican back then, singing the Battle Hymn of the Republic, reading Uncle Tom's Cabin, etc.

Yes, as I would've been a radical Republican.

No, you two would probably be bitching about Lincoln not having a majority of the popular vote in 1860, and claiming that he was a war-monger who was murdering 100,000 innocent southern civilians in his "war for cotton".  And God forbid Lincoln violate some traitor rebel terrorist's "civil liberties"!

People who live in Southern rebellious states shouldn't throw stones. Red states can act all patriotic now but everyone remembers that it was the South that left the Union.
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