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« on: April 29, 2017, 12:37:34 PM »

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/331210-trump-asked-reporter-to-run-electoral-victory-map-on-front-page

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Given that he's been bringing print-outs of his EC victory map to practically every meeting/sit down he has recently (including with the Xi Jinping..?), it's hard to believe that this was a joke. At most, it would be one of those jokes that starts out serious but ends as a "joke" just so they can pretend they weren't that desperate when the reporter/person declines.
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« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2017, 12:42:09 PM »

No, I could totally see T***p being that desperate for good coverage.
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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2017, 02:46:33 PM »

Of course, trump was not kidding.
If he spent the time and energy to print copies of the map and have them ready for all 3 reporters who visited him at the White House, then it obviously shows he was obsessed and serious with anything and everything with "that map."
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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2017, 02:54:38 PM »

It is after all, his only achievement.

Also to be fair Trump's dementia may make him think his win is still breaking news.
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« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2017, 02:57:54 PM »

One reporter called him a small handed vulgarian and he spent years sending the guy pictures of himself with his hands circled saying SEE NOT SO SMALL. Trump sending this seriously is very believable and fits in with his character.
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« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2017, 02:58:18 PM »

...or that it is the only relevant reality in American politics -- forever.
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2017, 09:05:03 AM »

It's like telling a story about catching a fish; every time it gets bigger.

Thing is, no one in his circle stops him. And all of his cult followers love him and think he can do no wrong; he's their savior, and I mean that in a religious sense--that's how they see him.
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2017, 11:39:55 AM »

Such an embarrassment.
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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2017, 11:48:44 AM »

Neither Kennedy nor Carter, both of whom barely got elected, demanded such. For them the election was over, and it was time to win over voters from the Other Side with legitimate achievements that could satisfy most Americans. .
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« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2017, 12:01:49 PM »

It is after all, his only achievement.

Also to be fair Trump's dementia may make him think his win is still breaking news.

Given his capabilities and sources of information, it's also possible that *Trump* personally believes the different conspiracy theories regarding Russian hacking of votes and state GOP chicanery in his benefit are all true. So he desperately trumpets his legitimacy at every chance, because *he* thinks his election was a fraud.
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« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2017, 01:14:41 PM »

Wow! This is such a terrible thing. I can't believe he still talks about how he won. No President has ever done that before.
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« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2017, 02:40:44 PM »

Wow! This is such a terrible thing. I can't believe he still talks about how he won. No President has ever done that before.

It's more the way he randomly and obsessively jumps to it, like your demented great-uncle with the college football championship he won 50 years ago
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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2017, 03:02:14 PM »

Wow! This is such a terrible thing. I can't believe he still talks about how he won. No President has ever done that before.

Come on Kingpoleon, there is no way you can be an active user on a site like this and not have noticed the obsession Trump has with mentioning both his win last year in the GE and the primary, and his "huge" crowds. It's become a long-running joke at this point. On top of that, it is not typical of previous presidents, at least in modern history, and is actually quite typical of a narcissist.
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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2017, 03:35:11 PM »

Wow! This is such a terrible thing. I can't believe he still talks about how he won. No President has ever done that before.

It's more the way he randomly and obsessively jumps to it, like your demented great-uncle with the college football championship he won 50 years ago

I don't have a demented great-uncle.

Wow! This is such a terrible thing. I can't believe he still talks about how he won. No President has ever done that before.

Come on Kingpoleon, there is no way you can be an active user on a site like this and not have noticed the obsession Trump has with mentioning both his win last year in the GE and the primary, and his "huge" crowds. It's become a long-running joke at this point. On top of that, it is not typical of previous presidents, at least in modern history, and is actually quite typical of a narcissist.

Narcissism and egotism are being confused today, and I believe you mean egotist. Previous Presidents just had a "refined" and "light" way of bragging. Trump is obviously a... bigger personality. This is to be expected.
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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2017, 03:44:22 PM »

Wow! This is such a terrible thing. I can't believe he still talks about how he won. No President has ever done that before.

Come on Kingpoleon, there is no way you can be an active user on a site like this and not have noticed the obsession Trump has with mentioning both his win last year in the GE and the primary, and his "huge" crowds. It's become a long-running joke at this point. On top of that, it is not typical of previous presidents, at least in modern history, and is actually quite typical of a narcissist.

Narcissism and egotism are being confused today, and I believe you mean egotist. Previous Presidents just had a "refined" and "light" way of bragging. Trump is obviously a... bigger personality. This is to be expected.

Without question ... it is narcissism.
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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2017, 04:04:20 PM »

Narcissism and egotism are being confused today, and I believe you mean egotist. Previous Presidents just had a "refined" and "light" way of bragging. Trump is obviously a... bigger personality. This is to be expected.

Let's just say that regarding this matter, I'll take the word of psychologists over yours.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/27/how-to-deal-with-a-narcissist-in-the-white-house-215072

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You don't even need to be a trained mental health professional to go over the traits one by one and see what matches up.
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2017, 09:04:02 PM »

I honestly believe he was being serious. The guy has a massive ego, and his election win has been his only notable achievement so far worth of praise, aside from axing the TPP, of course.
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2017, 09:27:11 PM »

Someone should do a county map weighted by the value of Trump holdings in that county. I imagine the result would not be good for Trump.
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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2017, 06:57:44 AM »

If I was President I would be obsessed with the electoral map too, as I'm obsessed with them anyway. But I don't think I would project that at every opportunity.
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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2017, 10:26:54 AM »

If I was President I would be obsessed with the electoral map too, as I'm obsessed with them anyway. But I don't think I would project that at every opportunity.

I would be more concerned with the next electoral map than of the one by which I got elected. Recent polls suggest that President Trump would lose Pennsylvania 'bigly' and Michigan and Wisconsin decisively, which would be enough for a bare win for the next Democratic President. He could lose Arizona, Florida, Iowa, North Carolina, and Ohio, which allow for a near landslide resembling that of Obama in 2008. One poll even suggests that Texas is iffy.

Texas has lots of well-educated people, and it drifted D some in 2016. Should Texas go D in 2020, then we are on the brink of the results for FDR in 1932 and Reagan in 1980.   

Winning the next election depends upon convincing people that one has solutions for what one did not yet accomplish -- basically more of the same.

...It is not up to newspapers to serve elected officials in their partisan agenda. The help may be appropriate in law enforcement, but that is rarely partisan. Much of broadcast and print news is about law enforcement and court proceedings (especially criminal cases), so journalists generally squelch stories that might help a fugitive escape justice or leak tidbits that might aid in the apprehension of a criminal. 
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2017, 10:29:41 AM »

Wow! This is such a terrible thing. I can't believe he still talks about how he won. No President has ever done that before.

It's more the way he randomly and obsessively jumps to it, like your demented great-uncle with the college football championship he won 50 years ago
Winning a college football championship is literally the pinnacle of human achievement.
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2017, 11:49:13 AM »

These are the electoral maps that I wish that President Trump contemplate. Red suggests the failure of Al Smith in the 1928 election. Red and white suggest the failure of Herbert Hoover to get re-elected in 1932:




red -- Smith 1928, FDR 1932
white -- Hoover 1928, FDR 1932
blue -- Hoover both years

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From the landslide that President Trump to which he thought he was entitled because he is so brilliant and wonderful (winning everything but 'unpatriotic' parts of America like DeeCee, Greater Hollywood, some pathetic islands in the Pacific Ocean that the Kenyan fraudulently claimed to be born in, and maybe Ethan Allen's treacherous state and the one that first betrayed George III)... no, I am not showing that fantasy map to the consequences of gross failure of economic stewardship.  The landslide of Hoover in 1928 to the landslide of FDR in 1932 will likely show the biggest shift in popular shift from one President to another and it is likely to stick for a very long time as the largest such shift.     

This could be more relevant if one thinks that the official map is valid. Trump won with a margin of electoral votes more like that of Jimmy Carter.  But Carter would end up with problems that he could not solve, and for which Ronald Reagan offered solutions; also, the states were shifting in their partisan allegiance, but to the detriment of Jimmy Carter. Maybe not the solutions that many Americans would not have liked at the time, but the 1984 election suggested that Reagan did a lot of things right, like lowering many Americans' expectations. Oh, you have a college degree and you hate your job in retail or fast food, but your low pay even worse? There is a solution -- take another such job to supplement your meager earnings, and always remember to show that moronic "Delighted to serve you!" smile! People taking second jobs that they hated as much as their ill-paid first jobs solved lots of economic problems.   




red -- Carter in 1976 and 1980
white -- Carter 1976, Reagan 1980
blue -- Ford in 1976, Reagan in 1980

(Ignore shades).

Just a reminder: it's the next election that matters. It's not that I expect President Trump to be caught with an economic meltdown as bad as that of 1929-1932 or with a diplomatic disaster as severe as the Iranian hostage crisis.  I'm not saying that the President will lose fifteen states that he won in 2016, and for obvious reasons he can't lose 33 that he won in 2016. But two will be enough if one of them is Florida and one of them is Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, or Wisconsin and three will be enough if one of them is Pennsylvania and the other two are any pair of Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin.

It will be a long time before les jeux sont faits.
 
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« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2017, 11:51:54 AM »

Why haven't they followed through on the order yet? That's the real scandal here.
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2017, 05:12:24 PM »

On more than a third of the days since Nov. 8, Trump has mentioned the election results

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/05/03/on-more-than-a-third-of-the-days-since-nov-8-trump-has-mentioned-the-election-results/

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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2017, 05:35:21 PM »

It's not fake news as long as he's telling them what to print.

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