If Dems win House in '18, will Trump's 1 trillion infrastructure plan pass?

[Antonio the Sixth]

If it's just a 1 trillion giveaway to his real estate buddies, hopefully not.

Yes.  people within the construction industry will receive a portion of that 1 trillion.  Who the f*** else constructs this nation's infrastructure? 

If I need someone to build me a bridge or a transportation system, I contract an engineer to draw plans and supervise the entire project.  After I've locked down my material suppliers, I hire contractors to coalesce multiple crews of construction professionals from a variety of specialities to build the project.

There should be a public works program run by the government without a profit motive (social democrat, normal).

[Hollywood]

Trump's plan that's just tax breaks to construction companies that would only build toll roads and other things that could make a profit and not the important work that needs to be done? Heck no that won't pass. I could see an ACTUAL transportation plan passing though, and it's desperately needed.

Wow you have a copy of Trump's infrastructure plan?  Amazing.  Trump hasn't even written one.  

Aside for the tax breaks to construction companies, your first line describes the actions of Democrat and Republican Congressmen and Senators, who direct money to certain projects in their state (earmarks & pork barrel spending).  

Infrastructure spending doesn't bring an economy out of recession or depression, but it gives people a job during tough times.  The stimulus did not save the economy and send it in an upward direction.  The bank bailout saved the economy.  

An infrastructure bill would have an enormously positive effect in this economic environment.  We need to fix infrastructure and we need to build infrastructure in certain areas of the country to promote economic growth.  How that is directed will most certainly be determined by the swamp people in congress.  Trump has the right idea.  In fact, Clinton, along with the Democrats, could have won big time if they focused on infrastructure spending.  

Transportation plan?  That's just a category of infrastructure.  What is your transportation plan MasterJedi?  

There has already been plenty of notice from Trump and his gang about what he wants to do. In the very basic sense my infrastructure plan would be to get every state's list of bridges, roads, public transit that needs to be repaired and fully fund it. All repairs needed funded, then go forward with what public transit (read: trains, streetcars, light rail, BRT mostly) would benefit states and fund that too over time. Help crack the sh**tty states like Republicans who hate public transit and call trains choo choos.

So no games, just fund it, which is what needs to be done.

How do we maintain all those trains, roads, bridges, and public transportation systems/vehicles (buses, employees, suppliers, etc) and provide future repairs?  Tolls and fares.  You're not going to have a functioning transportation system without a source of revenue by the people who utilize said transportation systems.  

A list of infrastructure projects from the state?  Votes are acquired by congressmen and senators earmarking certain funds for their state, so they can demonstrate job productivity.  States will list numerous projects to increase a sense of need for infrastructure funds.  The people sitting in Congress and the Senate (SWAMP MONSTERS) will attempt to direct as much money to their states as possible.  There's just too much inconsistency in your post to even address.  We have a Republican President that wants to build infrastructure in the United States.  We have a Republican party shifting toward this policy, despite being completely and stubbornly opposed to any type of spending.  The Democrats will have done a great disservice to this country by not jumping on this opportunity to help  the American people.  This is exactly the type of policy they have been supporting for the last 8 years.  

And just an FYI, the Democrat party is preventing infrastructure spending in my state for environmental reasons.  We need an effective train system in South Florida, but all projects have been shelved because of the wetlands, which will be completely submerged in the next 200 years.  We are protecting nothing.  The South Florida ecosystem developed decades after water receded, and they will do it again.  

[Hollywood]

If it's just a 1 trillion giveaway to his real estate buddies, hopefully not.

Yes.  people within the construction industry will receive a portion of that 1 trillion.  Who the f*** else constructs this nation's infrastructure? 

If I need someone to build me a bridge or a transportation system, I contract an engineer to draw plans and supervise the entire project.  After I've locked down my material suppliers, I hire contractors to coalesce multiple crews of construction professionals from a variety of specialities to build the project.

There should be a public works program run by the government without a profit motive (social democrat, normal).

Oh you mean like the Clinton Foundation, where the charitable entity gave contracts to construction contractors and suppliers to build residential, multi-family units in Haiti?  Or like the Obama Stimulus package?  I see. 

Listen, I don't have a problem with developing a Federal Construction department that builds infrastructure.  I don't have an issue with that type of socialism.  You have a President in office that wouldn't give a flying **** about it either.  Trump says it costs $12-15 billion to build a wall along Mexico.  I can do it for $5 billion, but I want to pocket $5 million just for the amount of work that I would have to put in to make it happen.  There will be 5-day periods where I won't sleep.  I want to be compensated for losing the opportunity and luxury of dreaming.  That's the reality!  I'm sure someone else could do the same. 

[MasterJedi]

Trump's plan that's just tax breaks to construction companies that would only build toll roads and other things that could make a profit and not the important work that needs to be done? Heck no that won't pass. I could see an ACTUAL transportation plan passing though, and it's desperately needed.

Wow you have a copy of Trump's infrastructure plan?  Amazing.  Trump hasn't even written one.  

Aside for the tax breaks to construction companies, your first line describes the actions of Democrat and Republican Congressmen and Senators, who direct money to certain projects in their state (earmarks & pork barrel spending).  

Infrastructure spending doesn't bring an economy out of recession or depression, but it gives people a job during tough times.  The stimulus did not save the economy and send it in an upward direction.  The bank bailout saved the economy.  

An infrastructure bill would have an enormously positive effect in this economic environment.  We need to fix infrastructure and we need to build infrastructure in certain areas of the country to promote economic growth.  How that is directed will most certainly be determined by the swamp people in congress.  Trump has the right idea.  In fact, Clinton, along with the Democrats, could have won big time if they focused on infrastructure spending.  

Transportation plan?  That's just a category of infrastructure.  What is your transportation plan MasterJedi?  

There has already been plenty of notice from Trump and his gang about what he wants to do. In the very basic sense my infrastructure plan would be to get every state's list of bridges, roads, public transit that needs to be repaired and fully fund it. All repairs needed funded, then go forward with what public transit (read: trains, streetcars, light rail, BRT mostly) would benefit states and fund that too over time. Help crack the sh**tty states like Republicans who hate public transit and call trains choo choos.

So no games, just fund it, which is what needs to be done.

How do we maintain all those trains, roads, bridges, and public transportation systems/vehicles (buses, employees, suppliers, etc) and provide future repairs?  Tolls and fares.  You're not going to have a functioning transportation system without a source of revenue by the people who utilize said transportation systems.  

A list of infrastructure projects from the state?  Votes are acquired by congressmen and senators earmarking certain funds for their state, so they can demonstrate job productivity.  States will list numerous projects to increase a sense of need for infrastructure funds.  The people sitting in Congress and the Senate (SWAMP MONSTERS) will attempt to direct as much money to their states as possible.  There's just too much inconsistency in your post to even address.  We have a Republican President that wants to build infrastructure in the United States.  We have a Republican party shifting toward this policy, despite being completely and stubbornly opposed to any type of spending.  The Democrats will have done a great disservice to this country by not jumping on this opportunity to help  the American people.  This is exactly the type of policy they have been supporting for the last 8 years.  

And just an FYI, the Democrat party is preventing infrastructure spending in my state for environmental reasons.  We need an effective train system in South Florida, but all projects have been shelved because of the wetlands, which will be completely submerged in the next 200 years.  We are protecting nothing.  The South Florida ecosystem developed decades after water receded, and they will do it again.  

Each state's DOT already has lists of these projects on their own. To combat any interference none of the money should be used for unneeded road expansion which is to say any road expansion. And your complaint can be used for why we should even repair anything if it costs money to keep it going.

And my parents live in south Florida, republicans kill any trains but would also eliminate the Everglades and any other wetlands for more golf course and old people if they could, thank Christ most people won't allow that.

[RINO Tom]

1. Trump's "infrastructure" plan is paper-thin garbage and little more than tax cuts and subsidies for building developers to make larger profits on things they're already building

2. If we're going to do the infrastructure repairs our nation needs, we first must drastically raise taxes on the wealthy and return the top marginal income brackets back to something like how they were under Eisenhower

I love how people always say "under Eisenhower" as if he created or liked those rates.  He literally lowered them.   "Under Truman" would make more sense.

you're right, but my point is mostly that Eisenhower was able to build America's modern interstate highway system and other big league infrastructure projects thanks to some yooog tax rates on the wealthy

Honest question that I don't know the answer to: are taxes dispursed evenly in the federal budget?  Because the interstate project, for example, was strictly out of defense spending.

[Rjjr77]

1. Trump's "infrastructure" plan is paper-thin garbage and little more than tax cuts and subsidies for building developers to make larger profits on things they're already building

2. If we're going to do the infrastructure repairs our nation needs, we first must drastically raise taxes on the wealthy and return the top marginal income brackets back to something like how they were under Eisenhower

I love how people always say "under Eisenhower" as if he created or liked those rates.  He literally lowered them.   "Under Truman" would make more sense.

you're right, but my point is mostly that Eisenhower was able to build America's modern interstate highway system and other big league infrastructure projects thanks to some yooog tax rates on the wealthy

Honest question that I don't know the answer to: are taxes dispursed evenly in the federal budget?  Because the interstate project, for example, was strictly out of defense spending.

All incomes are put in one big pool and than distributed based on appropriation, so no tax dollars are not evenly distributed.

[Maxwell]

The Trump plan isn't direct spending - it's a lot of tax credits, and the language I've heard seems to imply that companies with projects already in progress would be able to get that tax credit, which essentially means that it's basically a corporate giveaway.

Calling it an infrastructure plan is really a cruel joke.