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« Reply #25 on: December 09, 2016, 04:04:54 AM »

Is anyone surprised?

Maybe his whole strategy was to set bar so low that after being in office, most people will say "He's actually a better president than expected".
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« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2016, 02:45:45 PM »

I'd extend the same offer I'd extend all illegal immigrants in the United States who have no criminal record and can pass a citizenship test: permanent legal residency with most of the rights and benefits of American citizenship while permanently barring them from actual citizenship and voting rights. Any children born to them on American soil would receive citizenship, of course.

They'd pay taxes, serve in the military, be eligible to participate in Social Security, Medicare, etc, and so on. They just symbolically can't vote. If they truly are coming here wanting a better life and wanting to contribute to the nation and assimilate, than they'd accept this offer.

Yes, give people all the rights and benefits of citizenship without the most fundamental right to protect their rights, voting. That may be the most retarded idea I have ever heard.

Also even more retarded than that, you want people to risk their lives in our military but not have a right to decide who the commander in chief is?
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« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2016, 03:12:26 PM »

I'd extend the same offer I'd extend all illegal immigrants in the United States who have no criminal record and can pass a citizenship test: permanent legal residency with most of the rights and benefits of American citizenship while permanently barring them from actual citizenship and voting rights. Any children born to them on American soil would receive citizenship, of course.

They'd pay taxes, serve in the military, be eligible to participate in Social Security, Medicare, etc, and so on. They just symbolically can't vote. If they truly are coming here wanting a better life and wanting to contribute to the nation and assimilate, than they'd accept this offer.

Yes, give people all the rights and benefits of citizenship without the most fundamental right to protect their rights, voting. That may be the most retarded idea I have ever heard.

Also even more retarded than that, you want people to risk their lives in our military but not have a right to decide who the commander in chief is?

The "rights" extended are mostly privileges that they certainly don't deserve.

If an illegal immigrant who was offered this deal truly loved America, wanted to assimilate, raise a family here that becomes progressively distant from their ancestral country of origin, then that man should have no problem serving in the military. He'd accept it. His country, not his security, would be his main concern. If they look at it from your perspective of "me! me! me" then he should really just get out.
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« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2016, 03:21:53 PM »

If an illegal immigrant who was offered this deal truly loved America, wanted to assimilate, raise a family here that becomes progressively distant from their ancestral country of origin, then that man should have no problem serving in the military. He'd accept it. His country, not his security, would be his main concern. If they look at it from your perspective of "me! me! me" then he should really just get out.

Surely if they were to serve in the military to protect their country, they would also want/like a say in how the country is run. Wanting that is not just "me! me! me!" If we were to ask them to basically do everything a citizen would, including serve to protect our country, we should extend the right to vote as well. I don't understand why only that right would be omitted here (outside of partisan politics)
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« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2016, 03:59:10 PM »

Ah, the old Trump strategy. Doing "something great" that will "make everything work out nicely."
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« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2016, 04:20:57 PM »

Senators Graham and Durbin have introduced BRIDGE Act to protect Dreamers. Senators Murkowski, Feinstein, and Flake are also co-sponsors.

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« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2016, 04:50:15 PM »

I'd extend the same offer I'd extend all illegal immigrants in the United States who have no criminal record and can pass a citizenship test: permanent legal residency with most of the rights and benefits of American citizenship while permanently barring them from actual citizenship and voting rights. Any children born to them on American soil would receive citizenship, of course.

They'd pay taxes, serve in the military, be eligible to participate in Social Security, Medicare, etc, and so on. They just symbolically can't vote. If they truly are coming here wanting a better life and wanting to contribute to the nation and assimilate, than they'd accept this offer.

Yes, give people all the rights and benefits of citizenship without the most fundamental right to protect their rights, voting. That may be the most retarded idea I have ever heard.

Also even more retarded than that, you want people to risk their lives in our military but not have a right to decide who the commander in chief is?

The "rights" extended are mostly privileges that they certainly don't deserve.

If an illegal immigrant who was offered this deal truly loved America, wanted to assimilate, raise a family here that becomes progressively distant from their ancestral country of origin, then that man should have no problem serving in the military. He'd accept it. His country, not his security, would be his main concern. If they look at it from your perspective of "me! me! me" then he should really just get out.

Perhaps you could compromise a little and count them for Congressional apportionment at some fraction, like three-fifths?
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« Reply #32 on: December 09, 2016, 06:43:15 PM »

No wall, no deportations, no banning DREAMERS....sh**t, you guys got conned

They got their religious/political dopamine hits. They truly don't care about anything else.
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« Reply #33 on: December 09, 2016, 09:47:03 PM »

Great! Just why I voted for him. I promised he would deport many, many less than Obama ever did. Trump doesn't disappoint.

If you're a pragmatic moderate Republican like me, post-election Trump is everything I could have hoped for.

Hopefully he breaks his promise on enacting 35% tarrifs. That would be a Christmas miracle!
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