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« Reply #25 on: October 31, 2016, 02:11:00 AM »

No. At this point, it is radical reactionary.
The Republican Party isn't radical.

It has nominated the most radical major presidential candidate in over 100 years. Hard to call i anything else.
Yeah but the thing is if you take his rhetoric out of the equation(mainly about Mexicans) Trump is the most Liberal Republican Presidential Nominee since Nixon or Ford. He is hardly radical on policy. He is Bernie Sanders-esque on trade, moderate on Health Care. He thinks we need to invest a lot more money into infrastructure than we already are. Trump is just a Southern Democrat running as a Republican that's all.
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« Reply #26 on: October 31, 2016, 03:33:08 AM »

Not anymore. Let's be honest here. It is dangerous, but it isn't conservative.
Nah its not dangerous. McConnell and Ryan want to make deals with Democrats not be obstructionists. McConnell and Ryan are smart to make deals with Democrats since the current President is a Democrat and the next President is gonna be a Democrat!

I see it more with Ryan than McConnell.  Do you think that after Republicans lose 10-15 seats in the House, a more conservative party will vote Ryan out of his position as speaker?
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« Reply #27 on: October 31, 2016, 05:56:50 AM »

No. At this point, it is radical reactionary.
The Republican Party isn't radical.

It has nominated the most radical major presidential candidate in over 100 years. Hard to call i anything else.
Yeah but the thing is if you take his rhetoric out of the equation(mainly about Mexicans) Trump is the most Liberal Republican Presidential Nominee since Nixon or Ford. He is hardly radical on policy. He is Bernie Sanders-esque on trade, moderate on Health Care. He thinks we need to invest a lot more money into infrastructure than we already are. Trump is just a Southern Democrat running as a Republican that's all.

Nah. He is only "moderate" if you project his opinions on the usual politicy dimension of recent US politics. That is, mainly, because he does not care about the issues that have been salient recently. What he cares about are things that both parties have generally agreed on for a long, long time: and that is what makes him a radical, because his opinions there are far outside the pale. He is a radical fascist of the kind America has had little experience with. Alas, he may have transformed the debate space for years to come.
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« Reply #28 on: October 31, 2016, 06:16:02 AM »

To add to this, it's important to realise that 'radical' doesn't neccessarily mean hard left or hard right. Trump is a radical whose politics balance out to centre-right on the standard spectrum.
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« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2016, 05:27:38 PM »
« Edited: November 01, 2016, 05:29:29 PM by Tartarus Sauce »

I'm not sure what it even means to be an American conservative anymore. The GOP certainly seems to be guided more by a type of cultural backlash founded upon an identity politics of grievance nowadays than any real fidelity to the ideology of small government, deregulation, and responsible spending (even social conservatism seems to be falling by the wayside). Those Republicans certainly still exist, but they no longer constitute a majority of the base, if they ever did.
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« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2016, 05:40:24 PM »

I'm not sure what it even means to be an American conservative anymore. The GOP certainly seems to be guided more by a type of cultural backlash founded upon an identity politics of grievance nowadays than any real fidelity to the ideology of small government, deregulation, and responsible spending (even social conservatism seems to be falling by the wayside). Those Republicans certainly still exist, but they no longer constitute a majority of the base, if they ever did.
Maybe its about sweet iced tea, barbeque, cowboy hats, Cracker Barrel, dressing provacatively at the state fair, chewing tobacco, country music/rural/exurban rock, rodeos, fried chicken, and pick up trucks?
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« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2016, 07:11:26 PM »

I'm not sure what it even means to be an American conservative anymore. The GOP certainly seems to be guided more by a type of cultural backlash founded upon an identity politics of grievance nowadays than any real fidelity to the ideology of small government, deregulation, and responsible spending (even social conservatism seems to be falling by the wayside). Those Republicans certainly still exist, but they no longer constitute a majority of the base, if they ever did.
Maybe its about sweet iced tea, barbeque, cowboy hats, Cracker Barrel, dressing provacatively at the state fair, chewing tobacco, country music/rural/exurban rock, rodeos, fried chicken, and pick up trucks?

As a moderate, I support mandatory sweet tea, BBQ, and Cracker Barrel. Ban all non-classical music and fried chicken. Leave the rest up to the states.
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« Reply #32 on: November 01, 2016, 08:13:15 PM »

I'm not sure what it even means to be an American conservative anymore. The GOP certainly seems to be guided more by a type of cultural backlash founded upon an identity politics of grievance nowadays than any real fidelity to the ideology of small government, deregulation, and responsible spending (even social conservatism seems to be falling by the wayside). Those Republicans certainly still exist, but they no longer constitute a majority of the base, if they ever did.
Maybe its about sweet iced tea, barbeque, cowboy hats, Cracker Barrel, dressing provacatively at the state fair, chewing tobacco, country music/rural/exurban rock, rodeos, fried chicken, and pick up trucks?

As a moderate, I support mandatory sweet tea, BBQ, and Cracker Barrel. Ban all non-classical music and fried chicken. Leave the rest up to the states.

What about twerking at state fairs?
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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2016, 09:15:16 PM »

I'm not sure what it even means to be an American conservative anymore. The GOP certainly seems to be guided more by a type of cultural backlash founded upon an identity politics of grievance nowadays than any real fidelity to the ideology of small government, deregulation, and responsible spending (even social conservatism seems to be falling by the wayside). Those Republicans certainly still exist, but they no longer constitute a majority of the base, if they ever did.
Maybe its about sweet iced tea, barbeque, cowboy hats, Cracker Barrel, dressing provacatively at the state fair, chewing tobacco, country music/rural/exurban rock, rodeos, fried chicken, and pick up trucks?

As a moderate, I support mandatory sweet tea, BBQ, and Cracker Barrel. Ban all non-classical music and fried chicken. Leave the rest up to the states.

What about twerking at state fairs?

As a lover of freedom, I will defend the rights of all to twerk!
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« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2016, 11:23:31 PM »

The Republican party is whatever the Democratic Party is. It's all the same junk, but it comes in different colors. Would you like red garbage or blue garbage? There is no real ideology to either party.
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« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2016, 06:28:47 AM »

I'm not sure what it even means to be an American conservative anymore. The GOP certainly seems to be guided more by a type of cultural backlash founded upon an identity politics of grievance nowadays than any real fidelity to the ideology of small government, deregulation, and responsible spending (even social conservatism seems to be falling by the wayside). Those Republicans certainly still exist, but they no longer constitute a majority of the base, if they ever did.
Maybe its about sweet iced tea, barbeque, cowboy hats, Cracker Barrel, dressing provacatively at the state fair, chewing tobacco, country music/rural/exurban rock, rodeos, fried chicken, and pick up trucks?

As a moderate, I support mandatory sweet tea, BBQ, and Cracker Barrel. Ban all non-classical music and fried chicken. Leave the rest up to the states.

What about twerking at state fairs?

As a lover of freedom, I will defend the rights of all to twerk!

You've doomed us all, you madman!
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« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2016, 07:33:17 AM »

I'm not sure what it even means to be an American conservative anymore. The GOP certainly seems to be guided more by a type of cultural backlash founded upon an identity politics of grievance nowadays than any real fidelity to the ideology of small government, deregulation, and responsible spending (even social conservatism seems to be falling by the wayside). Those Republicans certainly still exist, but they no longer constitute a majority of the base, if they ever did.
Maybe its about sweet iced tea, barbeque, cowboy hats, Cracker Barrel, dressing provacatively at the state fair, chewing tobacco, country music/rural/exurban rock, rodeos, fried chicken, and pick up trucks?

As a moderate, I support mandatory sweet tea, BBQ, and Cracker Barrel. Ban all non-classical music and fried chicken. Leave the rest up to the states.

What about twerking at state fairs?

As a lover of freedom, I will defend the rights of all to twerk!

You've doomed us all, you madman!
The Right to Twerk is needed to reign in costs and increase competitiveness for our free markets .
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« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2016, 12:56:53 PM »

To add to this, it's important to realise that 'radical' doesn't neccessarily mean hard left or hard right. Trump is a radical whose politics balance out to centre-right on the standard spectrum.
So Trump is a radical center-right politician?. I have never heard the term "radical center-right politician". There is the term "radical centrist" which political analyst John Avlon used to describe former Connecticut US Senator and former Connecticut Governor Lowell P. Wiecker.
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« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2016, 01:02:21 PM »

I'm not sure what it even means to be an American conservative anymore. The GOP certainly seems to be guided more by a type of cultural backlash founded upon an identity politics of grievance nowadays than any real fidelity to the ideology of small government, deregulation, and responsible spending (even social conservatism seems to be falling by the wayside). Those Republicans certainly still exist, but they no longer constitute a majority of the base, if they ever did.
Well its "sort of a wash" to see what direction the direction goes in after Trump. The GOP was about a small government in the 1980's, and 1990's under the leadership of Reagan and Newt Gingrich. That was until George W. Bush came along in the 2000's. Yes Social Conservatism seems to be falling out if favor. I don't know if its because of the gay marriage issue.
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« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2016, 02:43:57 PM »

I'm not sure what it even means to be an American conservative anymore. The GOP certainly seems to be guided more by a type of cultural backlash founded upon an identity politics of grievance nowadays than any real fidelity to the ideology of small government, deregulation, and responsible spending (even social conservatism seems to be falling by the wayside). Those Republicans certainly still exist, but they no longer constitute a majority of the base, if they ever did.
Well its "sort of a wash" to see what direction the direction goes in after Trump. The GOP was about a small government in the 1980's, and 1990's under the leadership of Reagan and Newt Gingrich. That was until George W. Bush came along in the 2000's. Yes Social Conservatism seems to be falling out if favor. I don't know if its because of the gay marriage issue.
It will be interesting from here on out what happens to other socon issues if Trump wins. I think the Republicans maintain their traditional platform if Trump loses and Ryan is still the face of the party.
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« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2016, 07:20:00 AM »

I'm not sure what it even means to be an American conservative anymore. The GOP certainly seems to be guided more by a type of cultural backlash founded upon an identity politics of grievance nowadays than any real fidelity to the ideology of small government, deregulation, and responsible spending (even social conservatism seems to be falling by the wayside). Those Republicans certainly still exist, but they no longer constitute a majority of the base, if they ever did.
Well its "sort of a wash" to see what direction the direction goes in after Trump. The GOP was about a small government in the 1980's, and 1990's under the leadership of Reagan and Newt Gingrich. That was until George W. Bush came along in the 2000's. Yes Social Conservatism seems to be falling out if favor. I don't know if its because of the gay marriage issue.
It will be interesting from here on out what happens to other socon issues if Trump wins. I think the Republicans maintain their traditional platform if Trump loses and Ryan is still the face of the party.
UPDATE: Maybe we won't know on Wednesday morning what the Republican Party is about. I am guessing Scalise takes it but he just seems to be an average right-wing hack who isn't charming like Trump or bright like Ryan.
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« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2016, 01:13:28 PM »

I'm not sure what it even means to be an American conservative anymore. The GOP certainly seems to be guided more by a type of cultural backlash founded upon an identity politics of grievance nowadays than any real fidelity to the ideology of small government, deregulation, and responsible spending (even social conservatism seems to be falling by the wayside). Those Republicans certainly still exist, but they no longer constitute a majority of the base, if they ever did.
Well its "sort of a wash" to see what direction the direction goes in after Trump. The GOP was about a small government in the 1980's, and 1990's under the leadership of Reagan and Newt Gingrich. That was until George W. Bush came along in the 2000's. Yes Social Conservatism seems to be falling out if favor. I don't know if its because of the gay marriage issue.
It will be interesting from here on out what happens to other socon issues if Trump wins. I think the Republicans maintain their traditional platform if Trump loses and Ryan is still the face of the party.
UPDATE: Maybe we won't know on Wednesday morning what the Republican Party is about. I am guessing Scalise takes it but he just seems to be an average right-wing hack who isn't charming like Trump or bright like Ryan.
Trump is charming? Maybe in interviews which is a good setting for him.
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« Reply #42 on: November 09, 2016, 08:09:10 PM »

No. At this point, it is radical reactionary.
The Republican Party isn't radical.

It has nominated the most radical major presidential candidate in over 100 years. Hard to call i anything else.

Democrats had a president more radical than The Donald ever could be. His name..... Barack Obama
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« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2016, 08:34:04 PM »

Conservative? It's fascist.
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« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2016, 09:08:02 PM »

No. At this point, it is radical reactionary.
The Republican Party isn't radical.

It has nominated the most radical major presidential candidate in over 100 years. Hard to call i anything else.

Democrats had a president more radical than The Donald ever could be. His name..... Barack Obama

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