Will the Lame Duck Congress Ratify the Trans Pacific Partnership?

[Frodo]

It seems very much in doubt, though I still think they will. 

[RINO Tom]

Bush 1 is to NAFTA what Bush 2 is to TPP, and the '90s GOP Congress is to NAFTA what this GOP Congress is to TPP.  They'll ratify it, against Democratic opposition, of course.

[Indy Texas]

Bush 1 is to NAFTA what Bush 2 is to TPP, and the '90s GOP Congress is to NAFTA what this GOP Congress is to TPP.  They'll ratify it, against Democratic opposition, of course.

Bush 2 didn't have anything to do with negotiating TPP.

NAFTA was ratified by Congress while the Democrats still had their majority and it was Dem Leadership+GOP passing the bill. A lot of Democrats were defeated in 1994 because of NAFTA being passed.

If TPP is passed, it will be Paul Ryan+CoC Republicans+West Coast Democrats+Chicago/NY Democrats.

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Bush 1 is to NAFTA what Bush 2 is to TPP, and the '90s GOP Congress is to NAFTA what this GOP Congress is to TPP.  They'll ratify it, against Democratic opposition, of course.

Bush 2 didn't have anything to do with negotiating TPP.

NAFTA was ratified by Congress while the Democrats still had their majority and it was Dem Leadership+GOP passing the bill. A lot of Democrats were defeated in 1994 because of NAFTA being passed.

If TPP is passed, it will be Paul Ryan+CoC Republicans+West Coast Democrats+Chicago/NY Democrats.

Yes, who needs Republicans when you have right-wing Clintons giving us NAFTA or TPP?

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Bush 1 is to NAFTA what Bush 2 is to TPP, and the '90s GOP Congress is to NAFTA what this GOP Congress is to TPP.  They'll ratify it, against Democratic opposition, of course.

Bush 2 didn't have anything to do with negotiating TPP.

NAFTA was ratified by Congress while the Democrats still had their majority and it was Dem Leadership+GOP passing the bill. A lot of Democrats were defeated in 1994 because of NAFTA being passed.

If TPP is passed, it will be Paul Ryan+CoC Republicans+West Coast Democrats+Chicago/NY Democrats.

Yes, who needs Republicans when you have right-wing Clintons giving us NAFTA or TPP?

Nobody asked for your 'opinions', if they can be called that.

[IceSpear]

I knew there'd be a jfern spotting in this thread.

Can this turn into a hobby like bird watching?

"Oh look! A neoliberal shill! So majestic!"

[Orser67]

My guess is yes, but it's a 55/45 kind of thing. Businesses are going to whip votes quite hard, knowing that this may be the last FTA for a decade or more.

[Indy Texas]

My guess is yes, but it's a 55/45 kind of thing. Businesses are going to whip votes quite hard, knowing that this may be the last FTA for a decade or more.

A lot of Republicans will get primaried if they vote for it. I'm not sure I'd consider it getting primaried "from the left" but the two explicitly anti-TPP candidates in the GOP race - Trump and Cruz - got a combined 70% of the primary vote and won all but two states.

I'm sure I'll hear yet another hissy fit from certain Republicans about how the GOP is the "Muh Free Trade" party but the facts on the ground suggest there's very little appetite among Republican voters for TPP and thus very little to lose by voting against it.

If you're a Republican, you can say to your base, "I stood up and voted against the disastrous, job-killing Obama-Clinton TPP that would take away our national sovereignty." There's really no positive way to spin TPP when speaking to a Republican audience these days.

[MK]

Hillary has to be in full support of this since its one of Obamas signature trade deals.  Great if you are Trump.

[Adam Griffin]

No, because the word "trans" is in it.

[RINO Tom]

I will bet $50 that more Republicans vote for this (good) bill than Democrats, Indy.

[Indy Texas]

I will bet $50 that more Republicans vote for this (good) bill than Democrats, Indy.

Well, there are more Republicans than Democrats in the House and Senate so it would require a tremendous amount of unity among Democrats on this issue unless that were the case.

As I said, the Republicans voting for this are going to be the members of the leadership, anyone who is retiring (they have nothing to lose one way or the other), and the more CoC-friendly Republicans.

Examples of Republicans who'd vote for it:
-Bob Dold
-Darrell Issa
-Ileana Ros-Lehtinen

Examples of Republicans who'd vote against it:
-the Arkansas, Kentucky and West Virginia delegations
-Louie Gohmert and various other Tea Party GOPers who just want to vote against anything that Barack Obama did regardless of merits
-the upstate New York Republicans (a lot of high-end manufacturing up there from Corning and other companies that would be threatened by this agreement)

[RINO Tom]

I meant higher percentage, not just numbers in total, sorry.  I'll bet the voting mirrors the first round of voting, which included a large majority of Republicans supporting it against Democratic opposition.

[Sir Mohamed]

I don’t think so. At least I hope they don’t ratify it in its current form. No PPP! Or pee pee… how is it called? I guess I have to ask the Trumpster.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I sure hope so, because Hillary's hands will sadly be tied on things like this for a little while.