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« Reply #75 on: April 25, 2016, 03:02:50 PM »

And this is why Kasich won't surrender his votes in Cali, securing the nomination for the Donald.

Just like Kasich didn't surrender his votes in Wisconsin and Cruz didn't surrender his votes in Ohio, amirite?
Trump has such a huge lead in CA, one of the non-Trump candidates would basically have to explicitly surrender his share of the vote to the other for the race to be even close.
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« Reply #76 on: April 25, 2016, 03:28:03 PM »

And this is why Kasich won't surrender his votes in Cali, securing the nomination for the Donald.

Just like Kasich didn't surrender his votes in Wisconsin and Cruz didn't surrender his votes in Ohio, amirite?
Trump has such a huge lead in CA, one of the non-Trump candidates would basically have to explicitly surrender his share of the vote to the other for the race to be even close.

The last reliable polls of California have trump at ~40; favored, but far from unstoppable.
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« Reply #77 on: April 25, 2016, 03:42:46 PM »

And this is why Kasich won't surrender his votes in Cali, securing the nomination for the Donald.

Just like Kasich didn't surrender his votes in Wisconsin and Cruz didn't surrender his votes in Ohio, amirite?
Trump has such a huge lead in CA, one of the non-Trump candidates would basically have to explicitly surrender his share of the vote to the other for the race to be even close.

The last reliable polls of California have trump at ~40; favored, but far from unstoppable.

California is 6 weeks away. Polls of there, with a number of states yet to vote, are basically useless at this point.
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« Reply #78 on: April 25, 2016, 03:46:05 PM »

And this is why Kasich won't surrender his votes in Cali, securing the nomination for the Donald.

Just like Kasich didn't surrender his votes in Wisconsin and Cruz didn't surrender his votes in Ohio, amirite?
Trump has such a huge lead in CA, one of the non-Trump candidates would basically have to explicitly surrender his share of the vote to the other for the race to be even close.

The last reliable polls of California have trump at ~40; favored, but far from unstoppable.

That's not true. Fox and YouGov both had him at 49% in their most recent polls, which makes sense to me as a Californian. The only one that had him around 40% was the unknown Sextant Strategies.
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« Reply #79 on: April 25, 2016, 05:34:37 PM »

And this is why Kasich won't surrender his votes in Cali, securing the nomination for the Donald.

Just like Kasich didn't surrender his votes in Wisconsin and Cruz didn't surrender his votes in Ohio, amirite?
Trump has such a huge lead in CA, one of the non-Trump candidates would basically have to explicitly surrender his share of the vote to the other for the race to be even close.

The last reliable polls of California have trump at ~40; favored, but far from unstoppable.

That's not true. Fox and YouGov both had him at 49% in their most recent polls, which makes sense to me as a Californian. The only one that had him around 40% was the unknown Sextant Strategies.

Field had him at 40%, and they're generally very good with California (in February, they had Cruz leading). Fox this year has had absolutely wild swings for no reason (trump went from +3 to +18 in their last national polling), and YouGov, as I've detailed elsewhere, has just been plain wrong all the time:

Scrolling through YouGov's polling history, they're wrong a lot. They're usually more favorable to trump than reality (forecasting a tie in Ohio with Kasich, a double-digit win in Virginia, and single-digit Cruz wins in Wisconsin and Texas rather than the double-digit landslides that took place) but they've also gotten things wrong in the other direction (they had trump barely leading Cruz in Illinois, when in reality he won comfortably; they also had Cruz within single-digits in Georgia, where he came in third in reality) and sometimes they've just been wrong in other ways (they had trump and Cruz correct in Michigan, but their poll released 3 days before the vote had Rubio leading Kasich for third place, contradicting all other polling in the state; the final gap ended up being 24-9 in Kasich's favor).

So, yeah. They're not actively malicious, or biased in any direction; they're just bad, and in the places they've challenged the general polling consensus, the general polling consensus has invariably turned out to be correct.
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« Reply #80 on: April 25, 2016, 06:06:03 PM »

Charlie Black is on MSNBC and he says that he saw a poll with Cruz in the margin of error in Indiana.
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« Reply #81 on: April 25, 2016, 06:14:21 PM »

Charlie Black is on MSNBC and he says that he saw a poll with Cruz in the margin of error in Indiana.

The YouGov poll had trump leading Cruz by 5 and a margin of error of 6 -- he could just be relying on public polling Tongue
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« Reply #82 on: April 25, 2016, 08:41:35 PM »

Cruz shouldn't have ceded New mexico
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« Reply #83 on: April 25, 2016, 08:44:55 PM »

The Kasich campaign's role in this, I just can't fathom. It's got to be one of the stupidest political moves of all time. What does he get from Cruz for this?  Ok, so he's not going to put the resources into Indiana, fine.  Why announce it?   And why announce it of all times right before you need to do well in the Northeast?  Do they seriously not get how potentially dispiriting this would be for supporters?  That Kasich is admitting he's not contesting a neighboring state? To leave the impression you are giving up on the votes of some parts of the country? Couldn't they see how bad it would look?
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« Reply #84 on: April 25, 2016, 08:46:58 PM »

Cruz shouldn't have ceded New mexico

I don't think the state means much to him, it is proportional. MT, SD and CA are much bigger fish on June 7th,  doubt he was going to spend much time in NM.

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« Reply #85 on: April 25, 2016, 09:08:04 PM »

Kasich definitely got the short end of the stick. Cruz was smart again.
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« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2016, 10:26:39 PM »

Great example of game theory. It helps both Kasich and Cruz for Kasich to lose more votes in Indiana than he'd gain in New Mexico and Oregon. If either tries to sneak votes from the other, they both lose out.
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