Which state is more socially liberal? Iowa or Pennsylvania?

[TDAS04]

What do you think?

[Torie]

PA, due to the major impact of the Philly metro area. Iowa is quite socially conservative outside of Iowa City and Ames. It's a time warp state even more than PA. Man, the pot laws there suck. I was at risk for losing my driver's license for six months. I managed to plea bargain down, because I was nice to the cops.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

PA, due to the major impact of the Philly metro area. Iowa is quite socially conservative outside of Iowa City and Ames. It's a time warp state even more than PA. Man, the pot laws there suck. I was at risk for losing my driver's license for six months. I managed to plea bargain down, because I was nice to the cops.

First sentence is probably true...but you think Des Moines is socially conservative?

[Torie]

PA, due to the major impact of the Philly metro area. Iowa is quite socially conservative outside of Iowa City and Ames. It's a time warp state even more than PA. Man, the pot laws there suck. I was at risk for losing my driver's license for six months. I managed to plea bargain down, because I was nice to the cops.

First sentence is probably true...but you think Des Moines is socially conservative?

Mixed bag. It really does not have much of a white liberal gentry however. Iowa is very light in that department. It's a long way from Columbia, County, NY.

[The Free North]

PA probably has a higher diversity on social issues with the tremendous spread between Philadelphia and appalachia....Iowa for obvious reasons is more uniform (although the west is more conservative than the east).

There simply is not the demographic diversity in Iowa necessary to create sharp enough ideological divides amongst the population.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

Rural Pennsylvania is pretty socially conservative, but Philly gives them a slight liberal edge on those issues.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

PA, due to the major impact of the Philly metro area. Iowa is quite socially conservative outside of Iowa City and Ames. It's a time warp state even more than PA. Man, the pot laws there suck. I was at risk for losing my driver's license for six months. I managed to plea bargain down, because I was nice to the cops.

First sentence is probably true...but you think Des Moines is socially conservative?

Mixed bag. It really does not have much of a white liberal gentry however. Iowa is very light in that department. It's a long way from Columbia, County, NY.

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When is the last time you've ever been there?

[Torie]

PA, due to the major impact of the Philly metro area. Iowa is quite socially conservative outside of Iowa City and Ames. It's a time warp state even more than PA. Man, the pot laws there suck. I was at risk for losing my driver's license for six months. I managed to plea bargain down, because I was nice to the cops.

First sentence is probably true...but you think Des Moines is socially conservative?

Mixed bag. It really does not have much of a white liberal gentry however. Iowa is very light in that department. It's a long way from Columbia, County, NY.

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When is the last time you've ever been there?

About three years ago, when I visited the family farm.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

A farm in Des Moines?

Des Moines is pretty solidly white liberal.

[Torie]

A farm in Des Moines?

Des Moines is pretty solidly white liberal.

35 miles to the southwest of Des Moines, right next to Winterset, Iowa, in Madison County.  Des Moines does have a lot of white Democrats, but I don't know how many of them are socially liberal. Some no doubt are, but a lot more are blue collar union types. I certainly did not get anything remotely like a white liberal gentry vibe when I was there. The town is very frumpy.

[Rockefeller GOP]

A farm in Des Moines?

Des Moines is pretty solidly white liberal.

Every city is.  Its suburbs aren't, though.

[Asian Nazi]

A farm in Des Moines?

Des Moines is pretty solidly white liberal.

Every city is.  Its suburbs aren't, though.

There are plenty of cities that don't have a lot of white liberals.

[YaBoyNY]

A farm in Des Moines?

Des Moines is pretty solidly white liberal.

Every city is.  Its suburbs aren't, though.

There are plenty of cities that don't have a lot of white liberals.

Plus plenty of suburbs that have a lot of white liberals.