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Question: Which of the following marriages should be legal?
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Between a 30-year old male and 30-year old female
 
#2
Between a 30-year old male and 30-year old male
 
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Between a 30-year old female and 30-year old female
 
#4
Between a 17-year old male and 18-year old female with parental consent
 
#5
Between a 18-year old male and 17-year old female with parental consent
 
#6
Between a 17-year old male and 17-year old female with parental consent
 
#7
Between a 17-year old male and 17-year old male with parental consent
 
#8
Between a 17-year old male and 40-year old female with parental consent
 
#9
Between a 40-year old male and 17-year old female with parental consent
 
#10
Between a 18-year old male and 30-year old female
 
#11
Between a 30-year old male and 18-year old female
 
#12
Between an 18-year old male and 30-year old male
 
#13
Between an 18-year old female and 30-year old female
 
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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2011, 02:03:33 PM »

Well it's not like any state is going to set their marriage laws in accordance with my personal preference. But this would be it if everyone was set to my personal preference. As noted though I'm certainly not alone in thinking cougars are OK but guys who hunt jailbait are creeps.
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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2011, 04:34:27 PM »
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Well it's not like any state is going to set their marriage laws in accordance with my personal preference. But this would be it if everyone was set to my personal preference. As noted though I'm certainly not alone in thinking cougars are OK but guys who hunt jailbait are creeps.

Because there are no 'cougars' that hunt male jail bait or close to that, ever. But I guess women should be automatically limited in their choices to a less wealthy or stable pool of young men so you can have more of a shot and massage your ego.
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« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2011, 04:48:18 PM »

1, 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 10
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« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2011, 12:54:16 AM »

Since the state thinks it should have say in marriage

All the straight ones are legal (though I cringe at a couple of them)
None of the gay ones should be

Marriage should be purely a religious matter not a state one. Its not an enumerated power in article one section eight. So the fed should butt out regarding marriage. 
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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2011, 03:12:48 AM »

All of them (with the possible exception of the 40 year old dude marrying a 17 year old lady...but I don't know if I'd actually want a law forbidding it...it was almost normal a few generations ago)
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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2011, 07:19:30 AM »

All of them. Indeed parental consent should not be needed for any of the above marriages.
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« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2011, 12:13:38 AM »

All of them. Indeed parental consent should not be needed for any of the above marriages.
^this.  the assumption that parental consent is required suggests it is deligitimate on its own when it is not.   

People think "Haha, lucky boy!" if they find out about a hot female teacher "molesting" one. But if it was a young girl and a male, people would still find it disgusting and inappropriate even if the teacher was attractive and didn't look like a typical child molester.

this is because of the same old crude differences people place on sex as you find when girls are expected to be virgins while boys are expected not to be. there is no reason to assume boys are emotionally/sexually invincible. 
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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2011, 12:20:59 AM »

I honestly can not think of any valid reason for anyone under 18 to be married. Why would people still in high school and living with their parents want to file taxes jointly with anyone else? Plus I have the divorce rate of such marriages is quite a bit higher than the 50% rate at large...let those kids wait till their 18 and see if they're still together.
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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2011, 12:31:06 AM »

I honestly can not think of any valid reason for anyone under 18 to be married.

Yeah, I'm not seeing any convincing reason to allow that either.
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« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2011, 02:12:37 AM »

I honestly can not think of any valid reason for anyone under 18 to be married.

If they can fyck legally then there's no logical reason why they shouldn't be allowed to marry legally as well.
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« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2011, 02:26:51 PM »

I honestly can not think of any valid reason for anyone under 18 to be married.

If they can fyck legally then there's no logical reason why they shouldn't be allowed to marry legally as well.
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« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2011, 06:57:26 PM »

The point is that he is apparently disallowing the marriage of a 30 year old male to an 18 year old male!

I'm not happy with marriages outside the half+7 rule unless it involves an older female (I've termed this the "cougar clause"). Please note I don't mind one-night stands or even hiring prostitutes outside the half+7 rule, I just don't like marriages and long-term relationships in violation of it.

You rampant Prude!
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« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2011, 11:06:21 AM »

I honestly can not think of any valid reason for anyone under 18 to be married.

If they can fyck legally then there's no logical reason why they shouldn't be allowed to marry legally as well.

You don't have to be married to have sex.
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« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2011, 12:06:56 PM »


What has that got to do with anything?
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« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2011, 03:33:00 PM »

I honestly can not think of any valid reason for anyone under 18 to be married.

If they can fyck legally then there's no logical reason why they shouldn't be allowed to marry legally as well.

You don't have to be married to have sex.

Why should anyone be able to have sex, but not marry? If someone is adult enough for the former, he's adult enough for the latter also.
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« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2011, 09:26:20 PM »

Like I said, I don't see the point. Why do teenagers need to file with other teenagers jointly on taxes? Why can't they just wait till they're 18 like 99.9% of people do?
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« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2011, 09:43:16 PM »

Like I said, I don't see the point. Why do teenagers need to file with other teenagers jointly on taxes? Why can't they just wait till they're 18 like 99.9% of people do?

Must everything you 'don't see the point' of be illegal?
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« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2011, 09:53:17 PM »

This is kind of different since it's a type of "positive legality", the government is taking the initiative to recognize it. If there has to be a minimum age for marriage (and it's pretty hard to argue there shouldn't), I see no reason for it to be anything other than the age of adulthood.
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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2011, 08:56:09 AM »

This is kind of different since it's a type of "positive legality", the government is taking the initiative to recognize it. If there has to be a minimum age for marriage (and it's pretty hard to argue there shouldn't), I see no reason for it to be anything other than the age of adulthood.

Which is entirely arbitary. In Scotland the legal age is 16.
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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2011, 06:44:46 PM »


The first thing I thought when I read this:

If they can fyck legally then there's no logical reason why they shouldn't be allowed to marry legally as well.

was

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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2011, 07:02:18 PM »

Surely that's obvious?
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« Reply #46 on: April 17, 2011, 07:28:57 PM »

All of the above. The only one I hesitate is 40-year-old male and 17-year-old female. My concern in regards to that, is mostly about how the combination of having more power due to age, and having more power that our misogynist society gives to males.
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« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2011, 12:05:18 AM »

If you cannot vote, you should not get married, full stop.

Male/male, male/female, female/female - don't care - but must be over 18.
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« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2011, 01:23:12 PM »

This is kind of different since it's a type of "positive legality", the government is taking the initiative to recognize it. If there has to be a minimum age for marriage (and it's pretty hard to argue there shouldn't), I see no reason for it to be anything other than the age of adulthood.

Which is entirely arbitary. In Scotland the legal age is 16.

The age of adulthood may be arbitrary as might be the minimum age for marriages, but unless you think arranged marriages between 8 year olds are OK you have to draw a line somewhere at some arbitrary age. The arranged marriage thing is yet another reason I'm not comfortable allowing anyone who is still controlled by their parents and not an adult to be married. If the age of adulthood is lower it might be a different situation. But it's 18 where I live and most places, and if you have to draw a line for marriage, it's the most logical one for me.
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