Obama raised 66 Mio. $ last month

[J. J.]

NOT TO MENTION THE OFFICIAL NUMBERS AGREE WITH ME and not with you.  You cite official numbers for other months in order to make unreasonable conjectures that the official numbers are inaccurate. 

You have proved no "variation in the numbers."  You have no sources for your argument.  There's no one in the media talking about how suspicious these official numbers are.  There's no way that you're right here, just admit it.

Let's face it, the OFFICIAL NUMBERS do not agree with you.

A bit delusional, I take it.

COH $36,579,532  8/31/08  McCain

Sorry, but even if you remove you shoes, you can't count that high.

[Lunar]

My official numbers did not count McCain's "Joint RNC Fundraising Committee" as his money and instead counted it as RNC money (which I think is more accurate since I believe they accept 28.5k donations while he doesn't).

But why did you dig up my old post?  I just frickin' said I was wrong on that number sir!  Will you said you were wrong on your 240 million, and your "40-60% of 114 million" numbers?

Just say you were wrong, that's all, I want to see if you can.  Otherwise it's silly to debate with you.  I can, Alcon can, the Vorlon can, Samspade can, Phil can, everyone can.

[J. J.]

My official numbers did not count McCain's "Joint RNC Fundraising Committee" as his money and instead counted it as RNC money (which I think is more accurate since I believe they accept 28.5k donations while he doesn't).

Nor to the real official numbers, though McCain could have transferred some of that to those state committees.

http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/cancomsrs/?_08+P80002801

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Because you dug up mine and you were consistently wrong and wouldn't admit it at the time when I said your numbers were not adding up and that we should wait for the FEC.

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You were wrong, and insisted you were right even I said, let's wait for the official numbers, because your numbers were not even matching in terms of basic math.  You couldn't see that, nor could Alcon, the Volon, Samplespade or Phil.

[Lunar]

I admitted I was wrong!  This isn't about me.  There's no point in digging up my post to prove I didn't count the joint fundraising committee when I already admitted I was wrong, there's nothing to prove.

You said the RNC+McCain had 240 million.  You said the RNC got 40-60% of its 114 million from McCain in September.

These numbers are wrong?  What's so hard with admitting that you are wrong, we're all wrong sometimes, including myself oftentimes.  Why can't you say that  If you can't, there's no point in anyone debating with you ever, so it's actually quite meaningful.

[J. J.]

I admitted I was wrong!  This isn't about me.  There's no point in digging up my post to prove I didn't count the joint fundraising committee when I already admitted I was wrong, there's nothing to prove.

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Wrong again, because, I didn't know it was $114 million, I used an estimate which was $110 M.  We were both using estimates, and when I suggested your numbers were not adding up, and that we should wait, you instisted that yours were the Official Numbers[/i].  They were only in your brain.

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When I said, they were not adding up, and they obviously were not, as has been shown, you claimed that the were and you claimed that the were official.  Sounds a bit delusional.

[Lunar]

Gosh, stop nitpicking and answer my point, this is why it's frustrating.  Were you not in fact wrong with your "240 million" and your 110 million number?  If you can admit it, then it makes it actually possible to debate with you in the future. 

So, were you wrong, inaccurate, less than factual, with those two numbers?  You were not simply "questioning the given numbers" if you look at your posts, that's not what you were saying.

[J. J.]

Gosh, stop nitpicking and answer my point, this is why it's frustrating.  Were you not in fact wrong with your "240 million" and your 110 million number?  If you can admit it, then it makes it actually possible to debate with you in the future. 

So, were you wrong, inaccurate, less than factual, with those two numbers?  You were not simply "questioning the given numbers" if you look at your posts, that's not what you were saying.

Yes, I got that number wrong because of double counting what MCCain raised.  The articles I said 110 +47 + 84, that why I went back and corrected, when someone said the 47 was part of the 110.  Then I began to look at COH, you insisted that it was 18 (I have no idea wher that came from).  Then I noticed the math problem and said let's wait for FEC.  You claimed that this was OFFICIAL NUMBER and said I delusional.  In other words you looked at the same bad data I did, but insisted it was official and refused to wait for the real numbers from the FEC.

BTW:  The transfer from McCain might have been lower if he sent some to those state committees; Branson might be right.  If so there is additional $20 million out there for McCain, but we won't get a report until October; the was $6 million given to another committee (possibly even the RNC).  There was also a bit raised by the McCain Committee in September before federalization.  My guess is $5-8 million.

But excluding any transferred money, here is what really have:

Cash On Hand

$36,579,532  8/31/08  McCain

$76,467,053  8/31/08  RNC

Subtotal:

113,046,585

$84,100,000 9/3?/08  Federal Funds

Total:  191,146,585 

$65,837,809  8/31/08 Obama

$17,737,060  8/31/08 DNC

Total:  $83,547,869


Obama has slightly more debt but I think it's under $200 K.

[Lunar]

Yes, I got that number wrong because of double counting what MCCain raised.

Thank you.  I feel like it was all worth it.

One caveat on the September number, McCain was also likely spending money really quickly at the end in his last days as a privately-funded campaign, 2+ million a day wouldn't surprise me.  Oftentimes fundraisers have their estimates posted online if they are big enough.
It's also less than likely that as many people as normal want to donate right at the last second when it's obvious McCain will just pass it on to the RNC.  It's possible some people who donated/will donate 28,500 to the RNC want to donate an extra 2,300, but I'm not sure how many thousands of people are trying to scam the system like that.

But, on the other hand, McCain was averaging 3.3 million a day after the Palin pick, so you could be right.

Cheers, my work here is done.

[J. J.]

Yes, I got that number wrong because of double counting what MCCain raised.

Thank you.  I feel like it was all worth it.

One caveat on the September number, McCain was also likely spending money really quickly at the end in his last days as a privately-funded campaign, 2+ million a day wouldn't surprise me.  Oftentimes fundraisers have their estimates posted online if they are big enough.

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There is another reason; people like to get both data bases.  If you're a small contributor, you want an invite to the inauguration; if you're a large donor you want you name on both databases so that they know who you are when you ask for a favor.

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No, you are going have to explain why you couldn't understand that your figures were not adding up.

[Lunar]

I don't care anymore, we have the actual numbers and I admitted I made mistakes as well.  Last post on this thread, I promise.  I have wasted too much of my life here as it is to argue when we were both wrong.

[J. J.]

I don't care anymore, we have the actual numbers and I admitted I made mistakes as well.  Last post on this thread, I promise.  I have wasted too much of my life here as it is to argue when we were both wrong.

No my job is wrong.  We still have the Obama numbers.