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« on: February 17, 2024, 05:42:07 PM »
« edited: February 17, 2024, 08:05:21 PM by World politics is up Schmitt creek »

I think there's a good chance that all of these religions will be a distant memory by the year 3000, though I think Buddhism might have the best chance of survival. For the sake of this thread, let's assume that humanity keeps on technologically progressing through the rest of the millennium and we don't face extinction or any catastrophic event which would set civilization back centuries.
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2024, 06:52:07 PM »

All 5 of these will still exist, assuming humanity still exists in the Year 3000.
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« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2024, 06:55:45 PM »

My "religion" is none of the above.
Therefore the last choice is ambiguous.
Hopefully the "none religion" will continue to grow.
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« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2024, 08:04:33 PM »

I'm most bullish on boilerplate Evangelical Protestantism and Salafi Islam, because we live in a doomed world, but they'll all be around in some form. I actually don't think Buddhism has the most staying power, because of its extremely inculturation-happy nature; it's possible that in a thousand years there will be several distinct religions, some of them maybe even national or ethnic religions, descended from Buddhism in the same way that Christianity, Rabbinic Judaism, Samaritanism, Mandaeanism and various other Iraqi religious minorities, etc. are all descended from the Second Temple Jewish religious milieu, but no "Buddhism" per se.
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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2024, 08:13:23 PM »

Islam and Hinduism are pretty much certain, and some form of Christianity almost certainly too. Judaism and Buddhism are potentially more uncertain, for different reasons.
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2024, 08:35:48 AM »

Very likely all, but with Buddhism being the least certain.
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2024, 10:05:49 AM »

Christianity: Catholicism has enought lore to keep some interest in the long term. Evangelicam protestantism will continue, as long as it may be profitable to someone.
 Islam: It won't dissapearfrom the Middle East.
 Judaism: Even if Israel dissapears, they will survive in the USA.
 Hinduism: A billon of them united in one big country...
 Buddhism: I can see this dissapearing, as Southeast Asia will probably be seen as 'the new frontier'for christians and muslims.
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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2024, 08:41:02 PM »

I'm most bullish on boilerplate Evangelical Protestantism and Salafi Islam, because we live in a doomed world, but they'll all be around in some form. I actually don't think Buddhism has the most staying power, because of its extremely inculturation-happy nature; it's possible that in a thousand years there will be several distinct religions, some of them maybe even national or ethnic religions, descended from Buddhism in the same way that Christianity, Rabbinic Judaism, Samaritanism, Mandaeanism and various other Iraqi religious minorities, etc. are all descended from the Second Temple Jewish religious milieu, but no "Buddhism" per se.

Inculturation is why I would think Buddhism has by far the best chance to survive the next millennia out of the religions in OP. It's the most adaptive of the world religions and so more difficult for me to imagine what could kill it off. Christianity/Islam next. Judaism and Hinduism last (both tied to ethnicity and place).
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« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2024, 10:08:34 PM »

Hinduism being so polytheistic is reasonable argument against it surviving TBH given the history of polytheist->monotheist conversions.  On the other hand, it's going to be the largest religion in the largest population country in the world, so it might hold on just for that reason. 
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2024, 01:45:11 AM »

It's hard to imagine any of them going away, though of course that's contingent on things like the long-term survival of the human race or other things that are basically unknowable. The only major world religions that have been eradicated are Manichaeism and the syncretic polytheism of Pre-Christian Rome; Zoroastrianism and pre-Columbian Inca Religion I suppose come close.
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2024, 07:54:12 PM »

It's hard to imagine any of them going away, though of course that's contingent on things like the long-term survival of the human race or other things that are basically unknowable. The only major world religions that have been eradicated are Manichaeism and the syncretic polytheism of Pre-Christian Rome; Zoroastrianism and pre-Columbian Inca Religion I suppose come close.

Pre-Columbian Inca Religion is still a thing today? Haven't seen anything on Wiki to suggest that.

Anyways all of the religions in this poll will survive the next Millennium too, barring complete annihilation of ethnoreligious diaspora communities in the wake of centuries of catastrophic climate change.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2024, 08:11:40 PM »

It's hard to imagine any of them going away, though of course that's contingent on things like the long-term survival of the human race or other things that are basically unknowable. The only major world religions that have been eradicated are Manichaeism and the syncretic polytheism of Pre-Christian Rome; Zoroastrianism and pre-Columbian Inca Religion I suppose come close.

Pre-Columbian Inca Religion is still a thing today? Haven't seen anything on Wiki to suggest that.

Anyways all of the religions in this poll will survive the next Millennium too, barring complete annihilation of ethnoreligious diaspora communities in the wake of centuries of catastrophic climate change.

I was under the impression that there was a certain degree of surviving folk belief, but I certainly could be wrong on that!
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2024, 09:18:28 PM »
« Edited: February 22, 2024, 09:27:35 PM by wnwnwn »

It's hard to imagine any of them going away, though of course that's contingent on things like the long-term survival of the human race or other things that are basically unknowable. The only major world religions that have been eradicated are Manichaeism and the syncretic polytheism of Pre-Christian Rome; Zoroastrianism and pre-Columbian Inca Religion I suppose come close.

Pre-Columbian Inca Religion is still a thing today? Haven't seen anything on Wiki to suggest that.

Anyways all of the religions in this poll will survive the next Millennium too, barring complete annihilation of ethnoreligious diaspora communities in the wake of centuries of catastrophic climate change.

Rural andean people practice a form of syncretic catholicism with various pagan/traditional/andean elements. The cult to the pachamama and maybe the one to the apus are alive things. Inti, Virachoca and Pachacamac were easier to correlate with the christian God, so they dissapeared. The Señor de los Milagros veneration (and similar Christ venerarions in other parts of the country) seem to be influented by the old Pachacamac cult.

Pachamama cult has become trendy in some parts of the world, but in a new age way different from its actual agrarian nature and the 'pay to the land' small related rites still practiced in the Andes. A massive reenact of Inti Raymi (an incan religious ceremony to Inti) is done every year in Cusco since the 1940s, with massive acceptance, support and attendance. I suppose that most of the people that act on modern Inti Raymi don't believe Inti (the sun) to be an actual god, but there probably is some people that do.
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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2024, 10:35:03 PM »

It's hard to imagine any of them going away, though of course that's contingent on things like the long-term survival of the human race or other things that are basically unknowable. The only major world religions that have been eradicated are Manichaeism and the syncretic polytheism of Pre-Christian Rome; Zoroastrianism and pre-Columbian Inca Religion I suppose come close.

Pre-Columbian Inca Religion is still a thing today? Haven't seen anything on Wiki to suggest that.

Anyways all of the religions in this poll will survive the next Millennium too, barring complete annihilation of ethnoreligious diaspora communities in the wake of centuries of catastrophic climate change.

Rural andean people practice a form of syncretic catholicism with various pagan/traditional/andean elements. The cult to the pachamama and maybe the one to the apus are alive things. Inti, Virachoca and Pachacamac were easier to correlate with the christian God, so they dissapeared. The Señor de los Milagros veneration (and similar Christ venerarions in other parts of the country) seem to be influented by the old Pachacamac cult.

Pachamama cult has become trendy in some parts of the world, but in a new age way different from its actual agrarian nature and the 'pay to the land' small related rites still practiced in the Andes. A massive reenact of Inti Raymi (an incan religious ceremony to Inti) is done every year in Cusco since the 1940s, with massive acceptance, support and attendance. I suppose that most of the people that act on modern Inti Raymi don't believe Inti (the sun) to be an actual god, but there probably is some people that do.

When I was a kid I remember watching an episode of a strongman competition show on the Discovery Channel in the Peruvian Andes where the competitors had to participate in pagan/traditional rituals honoring the deities of the glaciers or something like that. I was aware that syncretic Catholicism is a thing, but wasn't sure if there were still widespread believers in the pre-conquest religion who formally identified with it as is the case with Zoroastrianism w.r.t. Islam.
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2024, 12:24:35 PM »

I think there's a good chance that all of these religions will be a distant memory by the year 3000, though I think Buddhism might have the best chance of survival. For the sake of this thread, let's assume that humanity keeps on technologically progressing through the rest of the millennium and we don't face extinction or any catastrophic event which would set civilization back centuries.

This seems like a BIZARRE thing to be relatively certain about...  There will never, by definition, be a scientific discovery that removes the philosophical question of whether or not a deity created our Universe (i.e., questions about the existence of God).  As long as that question persists (which it always will, again by definition as it is a question beyond science), there will be religions which attempt to describe such a being.  You're predicting that in less than 1,000 years, every single belief system that comprises over 80% of the world's population today will cease to exist, let alone early enough to be distant memories?  Color me skeptical.

This seems to rest on this idea that religiosity declines linearly through time.  No scholar takes that seriously, and it is demonstrably false when looking at history.

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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2024, 11:17:07 AM »

It's hard to imagine any of them going away, though of course that's contingent on things like the long-term survival of the human race or other things that are basically unknowable. The only major world religions that have been eradicated are Manichaeism and the syncretic polytheism of Pre-Christian Rome; Zoroastrianism and pre-Columbian Inca Religion I suppose come close.

Pre-Columbian Inca Religion is still a thing today? Haven't seen anything on Wiki to suggest that.

Anyways all of the religions in this poll will survive the next Millennium too, barring complete annihilation of ethnoreligious diaspora communities in the wake of centuries of catastrophic climate change.

Rural andean people practice a form of syncretic catholicism with various pagan/traditional/andean elements. The cult to the pachamama and maybe the one to the apus are alive things. Inti, Virachoca and Pachacamac were easier to correlate with the christian God, so they dissapeared. The Señor de los Milagros veneration (and similar Christ venerarions in other parts of the country) seem to be influented by the old Pachacamac cult.

Pachamama cult has become trendy in some parts of the world, but in a new age way different from its actual agrarian nature and the 'pay to the land' small related rites still practiced in the Andes. A massive reenact of Inti Raymi (an incan religious ceremony to Inti) is done every year in Cusco since the 1940s, with massive acceptance, support and attendance. I suppose that most of the people that act on modern Inti Raymi don't believe Inti (the sun) to be an actual god, but there probably is some people that do.

When I was a kid I remember watching an episode of a strongman competition show on the Discovery Channel in the Peruvian Andes where the competitors had to participate in pagan/traditional rituals honoring the deities of the glaciers or something like that. I was aware that syncretic Catholicism is a thing, but wasn't sure if there were still widespread believers in the pre-conquest religion who formally identified with it as is the case with Zoroastrianism w.r.t. Islam.

I think this is a matter of perspective to an extent, but the "pagan" substrate in Andean Catholicism is openly acknowledged to exist by both supporters and detractors in a way that just isn't as true of similar substrates elsewhere (Ireland being a pretty well-known example). In Bolivia--and possibly elsewhere; I don't know, although wnwnwn probably does--this is a live political issue, since the political right is openly and quite viciously prejudiced against it both religiously and racially.

Incidentally, Manichaeism is only mostly dead; Fujian Province, of all places, has a few communities that still follow a form of it.
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« Reply #16 on: February 24, 2024, 11:36:01 AM »


I think this is a matter of perspective to an extent, but the "pagan" substrate in Andean Catholicism is openly acknowledged to exist by both supporters and detractors in a way that just isn't as true of similar substrates elsewhere (Ireland being a pretty well-known example). In Bolivia--and possibly elsewhere; I don't know, although wnwnwn probably does--this is a live political issue, since the political right is openly and quite viciously prejudiced against it both religiously and racially.


Boliviam evangelicals seem to be clearly agaisnt it.
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« Reply #17 on: February 24, 2024, 05:16:07 PM »


I think this is a matter of perspective to an extent, but the "pagan" substrate in Andean Catholicism is openly acknowledged to exist by both supporters and detractors in a way that just isn't as true of similar substrates elsewhere (Ireland being a pretty well-known example). In Bolivia--and possibly elsewhere; I don't know, although wnwnwn probably does--this is a live political issue, since the political right is openly and quite viciously prejudiced against it both religiously and racially.


Boliviam evangelicals seem to be clearly agaisnt it.


Isn't this one of evangelicalism's major selling points among Catholic converts in Latin America, its violent rejection of any syncretism?
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« Reply #18 on: February 24, 2024, 06:07:42 PM »

I think this is a matter of perspective to an extent, but the "pagan" substrate in Andean Catholicism is openly acknowledged to exist by both supporters and detractors in a way that just isn't as true of similar substrates elsewhere (Ireland being a pretty well-known example). In Bolivia--and possibly elsewhere; I don't know, although wnwnwn probably does--this is a live political issue, since the political right is openly and quite viciously prejudiced against it both religiously and racially.


Boliviam evangelicals seem to be clearly agaisnt it.


Isn't this one of evangelicalism's major selling points among Catholic converts in Latin America, its violent rejection of any syncretism?

It depends. I live in Lima and evangelicals here focus on criticising the veneration of images and the sins of the 'non converts' (common people). Now, there is a correlation between some local venerations and syncretism, but they don't focus much on that aspect of them.
I suppose its because you can't do vocally anti-indigenous politics here as we don't have our own Santa Cruz.
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2024, 02:26:41 PM »

I think we're in the midst of a civilizational tumble that started around 2000 with capitalism's contradictions reaching critical mass, and that religion will prove surprisingly resilient as people look to existing traditional culture and communities for meaning in life. The mid-2010s alt-right phenomenon was an early expression of this IMO. History proves that the simpler, binary, universalistic, monotheistic religions are more adaptive, so I expect Christianity and Islam to be doing better than the others. That said, religion will continue to decline unless humanity's body of knowledge is outright destroyed- which, I don't really see, I think the Bradburian fears of book-burning death squads are just the imaginings of an overblown STEM geek persecution complex- but more gradually than now.
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« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2024, 06:44:47 PM »

All of them, but Judaism has the least clear future due to its size. Buddhism has issues too, but it has more "muscle". The other three are safe(Hinduism has a large geographic territory, while Christianity and Islam span multiple continents).
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