Is a 65% for Kerry predominately white area liberal?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I've gotten in debates with another poster about this before. He says 60% for Kerry areas aren't really liberal since there are far more Democratic areas, but I point out that most 80%+ Kerry areas have large minority populations that aren't exactly liberal on social issues (no one would call Macon County, AL liberal). 65% is about what Kerry got among the white vote in most such areas, so a 65% mostly white area is far more liberal than most 80%+ areas especially on social issues.

[nclib]

I would say usually, but there are places like Elliott County, KY.

[Keystone Phil]

Liberal on what type of issues? For example, Kerry likely broke 60% in my precinct (though we had strong turnout and Bush might have kept him under) and we certainly aren't liberal on social issues around here. On economics, however, we are mixed with a lean to the left. The union types turned out strongly in my precinct/NE Philly/many other areas of the country and I wouldn't argue that they are necessarily all around liberals.

Gore actually got around 75% of the vote in my precinct and most would think that that means a solid liberal area. However, the reason for that is because the GOP turnout here was so horrible (we didn't even get passed 90 GOP voters in an area where our registeration was close to 400 at the time).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Depends what you mean by "liberal" doesn't it?

Certainly, a lot of largely white counties that Kerry took over 60% (Trumbull, Elliott, McDowell, Bristol etc) can only really be thought of as being "liberal" in the post-FDR sense that, more or less, translates as "social democrat" and which seems to have fallen out of use around the time Tip O'Neill retired.

[Alcon]

I'm not sure if that person was me, but if it was, that's not quite what I said.

There is a wide misperception among some that poor/disadvantaged Democrats are mostly socially conservative.  This is true some places, but not others.

A place where about 2-in-3 people vote Democratic is probably not all too likely to be more socially liberal than a place that voted 4-in-5 Democratic.

Nor can heavily white, wealthy areas not vote well more than 4-in-5 Democratic.  I've found extremely affluent areas (median household incomes well above $100,000) where Bush was under 10% of the vote.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'm not sure if that person was me, but if it was, that's not quite what I said.

Yeah, we were arguing over what parts of Mankato could be considered liberal. The area I'm talking about (basically two precincts) is a run down urban area, but is definitely not socially conservative. You said that 65% for Kerry in a run down urban area isn't very good, but I pointed out that it is predominately white.