Should Jason Ravnsborg be banned?

[DaleCooper]

I really don't like the idea of banning anybody for their offline behavior unless their offline behavior somehow bleeds over into their Atlas persona. I guess in Ravnsborg's case, that would be if he was constantly on here bragging about how he killed someone? But if he didn't do that then he shouldn't be banned for this.

[NewYorkExpress]

I'm pretty sure vehicular homicide is against the terms of service, and if it isn't it should be.

He was convicted of two (2) traffic misdemeanors.  He was in an accident where a person died and he was at fault.  Tragic as that is, that's not a felony offense. 

If Ted Kennedy were alive, would you argue for his banning if he were a poster.  He was driving, he was drunk, he did leave the scene of the accident, and Mary Jo Kopechne is quite dead.

As mentioned, cases such as Snowguy and Opebo are different, but those issues don't apply to this particular poster.  He's not violated the ToS and he hasn't harmed anyone by his posting.  He ought to be able to post here (if he chooses) and interactions with him should be within the ToS.  He ought not be subject to Virtue Signalers driving him from the Forum.  And every time a Red Avatar decides to Go Nuclear and post in such a way to try to drive him from the Forum, they need to ask themselves one simple question:  "Would I be doing this if this was Ted Kennedy and not Jason Ravnsborg?".

I would have supported Ted Kennedy's banning if he were a poster. I also like to think Ted Kennedy would have better things to do with his time than to post here.

[Fuzzy Bear]

I'm pretty sure vehicular homicide is against the terms of service, and if it isn't it should be.

He was convicted of two (2) traffic misdemeanors.  He was in an accident where a person died and he was at fault.  Tragic as that is, that's not a felony offense. 

If Ted Kennedy were alive, would you argue for his banning if he were a poster.  He was driving, he was drunk, he did leave the scene of the accident, and Mary Jo Kopechne is quite dead.

As mentioned, cases such as Snowguy and Opebo are different, but those issues don't apply to this particular poster.  He's not violated the ToS and he hasn't harmed anyone by his posting.  He ought to be able to post here (if he chooses) and interactions with him should be within the ToS.  He ought not be subject to Virtue Signalers driving him from the Forum.  And every time a Red Avatar decides to Go Nuclear and post in such a way to try to drive him from the Forum, they need to ask themselves one simple question:  "Would I be doing this if this was Ted Kennedy and not Jason Ravnsborg?".

I would have supported Ted Kennedy's banning if he were a poster. I also like to think Ted Kennedy would have better things to do with his time than to post here.

Not if he were out of office.

[NewYorkExpress]

I'm pretty sure vehicular homicide is against the terms of service, and if it isn't it should be.

He was convicted of two (2) traffic misdemeanors.  He was in an accident where a person died and he was at fault.  Tragic as that is, that's not a felony offense. 

If Ted Kennedy were alive, would you argue for his banning if he were a poster.  He was driving, he was drunk, he did leave the scene of the accident, and Mary Jo Kopechne is quite dead.

As mentioned, cases such as Snowguy and Opebo are different, but those issues don't apply to this particular poster.  He's not violated the ToS and he hasn't harmed anyone by his posting.  He ought to be able to post here (if he chooses) and interactions with him should be within the ToS.  He ought not be subject to Virtue Signalers driving him from the Forum.  And every time a Red Avatar decides to Go Nuclear and post in such a way to try to drive him from the Forum, they need to ask themselves one simple question:  "Would I be doing this if this was Ted Kennedy and not Jason Ravnsborg?".

I would have supported Ted Kennedy's banning if he were a poster. I also like to think Ted Kennedy would have better things to do with his time than to post here.

Not if he were out of office.

Ted Kennedy was in office until the day he died, so I'm not sure what your argument is here?

I mean sure, the Senate probably should have expelled him for what happened in Chappaquiddick, but they didn't, so your argument makes no sense.

[jamestroll]

He probably does not even remember this site.

[Fuzzy Bear]

He probably does not even remember this site.

We need him.  Bad.  Let's PM him and tell him we need him back, lol.

[Virginiá]

This dude hasn't logged in here in nearly 17 years. I would be shocked if even the thought of visiting this place has crossed his mind in that time.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

I'm not a fan of the precedent of banning people for things they do outside the forum, to be honest.

What about Snowguy?

If Snowguy was banned for something he did outside the forum, then yes, I would be against that. No idea what you're referring to though.

Possession of child porn. Generally we don't want those people posting on forums with young teenagers.

Wait wtf. PM if need be.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'm not a fan of the precedent of banning people for things they do outside the forum, to be honest.

What about Snowguy?

If Snowguy was banned for something he did outside the forum, then yes, I would be against that. No idea what you're referring to though.

Possession of child porn. Generally we don't want those people posting on forums with young teenagers.

Wait wtf. PM if need be.

This gets asked all the time whenever it comes up so here's my summary, specifically written to protect the privacy of all others involved and not do any doxxing, although the mods can redact anything as warranted if necessary.

In 2019 you might recall Snowguy was posting extremely bizarre rambling things, and seemed to go on a trolling spree in an attempt to get deliberately banned (he even changed his display name as sorts.) The mods obviously weren't happy with the trolling spree but also assumed he must've been going through some sort of episode, so he was temporarily banned with the understanding that he can return once he gets better. Despite this he never did return, although he did post on AAD somewhat sporadically and his posts had turned coherent, so it was concluded that he had likely recovered from what he had been dealing with.

A little over a year ago he announced that he intended to return to AAD full time, and while he got a lot of "welcome back!" messages at first, the at the time administrator brought up allegations of off-forum behavior asking if we should allow him back, I don't know all the details but this involved abuse allegations and bizarre threats and a threatening PM to an active member but perhaps the most damning was that he had broken into another poster's apartment building and caused some significant damages. Of course most of this was unknown to the forum at the time, and started a bit of an upheaval (also the admin later stepping down and being replaced) and trying to get both sides of the story. While investigating it and public records, someone found something even more damning: that he was on a sex offender registry for the crime mentioned. (Note: The admins on both sites have made it very clear they don't want this link shared publicly or attempts to dig it up, and IIRC he was less than a year from his term expiring so it won't be online or visible anymore anyway.)

Upon revelation of this of course that changed the situation immensely, resulting in his banning from AAD, and with this info the admins banning him here as well. At first they tried to not have any discussion of the situation publicly but it seems the "statute of limitations" on that has expired and enough time has elapsed that it can be discussed without infringing on the privacy of the others tangentially involved, so that's what I'll say.