UK General Discussion: Rishecession

[Meclazine for Israel]

Stereotypical Whinging Pom

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He nailed it.

[CumbrianLefty]

He's making Ed Milliband look like Churchill.

The "scandal" of Milliband having two kitchens in his house is one of my favorite British electoral moments.

The way much of the British media treated him when Labour leader was just downright ridiculous.

[Silent Hunter]

The way much of the British media treated him when Labour leader was just downright ridiculous.

True. Although it's a lesson to politicians not to eat when near a press camera, I'd say.

[Amanda Huggenkiss]

The way much of the British media treated him when Labour leader was just downright ridiculous.

True. Although it's a lesson to politicians not to eat when near a press camera, I'd say.

Much like Obama's politics 101 lesson: "You never look good wearing something on your head."

Unless you're Boris Johnson and you want to look silly.

[Torrain]

Honestly not sure how you screw up this badly. We've surrended 28% of our EU funds - compared to 9% for the Welsh, 6% for England, and only 2% for Northern Ireland.

It's not like this money isn't required. The social housing budget was slashed by £190 million this year, class sizes are increasing as teachers are let go, and libraries and community centres are closing as the council tax freeze bites.

Honestly, some days, I have to silence a little conspiratorial voice in my head that wonders whether they let this stuff happen so they can blame Westminster for more unsolved problems. I'm just struggling to rationalise how this happens.

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[CumbrianLefty]

Though blaming Westminster for everything bad is one of those things that works until it doesn't.

[AustralianSwingVoter]

Vaughan Gething apparently has muddied himself with dodgy donors?

[CumbrianLefty]

Yes, though the election being called has bought him a bit of breathing space. Still, a non-negligible chance that he gets potted before he has done even a year as FM though.

[Torrain]

Two Welsh Labour MS are off sick today, and will miss the confidence vote in Gething.

Per Labour’s Vikki Howells, Gething won’t resign if/when the motion succeeds, because “it’s a gimmick”. Which seems like a pretty bad precedent to set. Gift for other parties in the election too.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

No, the precedent was set decades ago, during the rather messy first year in the life of what was then called the Assembly. If the precedent had not been set, then those MSs would be taken to the Bay in ambulances in order to vote anyway.

As to the politics of it, I'm not sure if it would be terribly wise for other parties in the Senedd to join in what has become a Conservative election stunt, but we shall see.

[Torrain]

Fair. Holyrood feels different on this issue - and I’m probably bring those biases to Cardiff Bay.

History question - I thought Alun Michael stepped down when faced with a VONC? Or did he risk losing a binding, rather than indicative VONC?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Fair. Holyrood feels different on this issue - and I’m probably bring those biases to Cardiff Bay.

Yes, they've already evolved quite different political/institutional cultures. It isn't that this sort of thing isn't serious, for instance, but isn't Serious in the way it is at Holyrood.

History question - I thought Alun Michael stepped down when faced with a VONC? Or did he risk losing a binding, rather than indicative VONC?

He stepped down before the vote because he had had enough and snapped.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It is worth noting that there is a procedure by which an actual Vote of No Confidence can be passed by the Senedd, but that if successful it would result in the dissolution of the Senedd and early elections. The motion tabled today is not one of these.

[Torrain]

Cheers - that all makes a fair bit of sense.

Sounds like the Tories are trying the same tactic they used in Edinburgh (lodge a non-binding VONC, hope that victory forces a resignation that embarasses the gov, without the risk of a snap election that would end poorly for them) - but with a lower chance of success given the different political culture.

[CumbrianLefty]

Plus doing it when a couple of Labour members are absent sick will look like playing games to some.

[Torrain]

Senedd passes the motion of no confidence in FM, by 29-27.

[Silent Hunter]

Havering's Residents-Labour governing coalition has collapsed

The rift being over a ceremonial mayor as well...

[Cassius]

Plus doing it when a couple of Labour members are absent sick will look like playing games to some.

Coincidentally two of the caucus members who have had the biggest fallouts with Gething.

Of course he resorted to crying.

[CumbrianLefty]

Some of us did tell Welsh Labour that they should vote for Jeremy Miles tbf.

[beesley]

It's been moving listening to some of the recordings of testimony and footage of D-Day commemorations today, fostering thankfulness and hope that freedoms will never have to be defended in such a way again, and re-impressing on those of us in the history 'community' the importance of collecting and recording our 'materials.'