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« on: November 30, 2021, 02:06:13 AM »

For instance you may have been fine with the way things are right now in terms of social and cultural views but dont push it any further but also not revert what has been accomplished.
Anything wrong with that?
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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2021, 02:13:45 AM »

For instance you may have been fine with the way things are right now in terms of social and cultural views but dont push it any further but also not revert what has been accomplished.
Anything wrong with that?

It seems to demonstrate unimaginativeness -- surely everyone can at least think of some small, uncontroversial way in which society should be different?
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2021, 08:33:07 AM »

Nope.

I stopped trying to change the world when I was 25. 

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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2021, 03:17:43 PM »

It's fine to state that as an opinion, but I'd have some very strong disagreements.
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« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2021, 04:15:53 PM »

I feel Progressives like it just fine.  It's the Conservatives that are opposed to everything this society is - more accepting, more embracing of LGBTQ, more tolerant of non-traditional Americans... so in that way, the Conservatives are the new radicals because they seek to undermine the new status quo.
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2021, 06:31:09 PM »

I feel Progressives like it just fine.

How's life in 1965?
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« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2021, 07:01:05 PM »

no, although it is incorrect.

nothing has ever been fine in this universe, nothing is fine, and nothing ever will be fine. everything will suck forever and that will never change. best we can do is get used to it.
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« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2021, 07:38:49 PM »
« Edited: November 30, 2021, 07:50:30 PM by 90s_kid »


Ok snide remark #2 I don't get tonight and if I don't get it, then it wasn't that cute - but 1965 was the year of LBJ's massively librul Democratic Congress and the enactment of soooo many laws.  More landmark laws in that one year alone were introduced and passed or signed into law in '65 and '66 than ANY in the history of the Congress, imo, so Go 1965.
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« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2021, 11:56:32 PM »


Ok snide remark #2 I don't get tonight and if I don't get it, then it wasn't that cute - but 1965 was the year of LBJ's massively librul Democratic Congress and the enactment of soooo many laws.  More landmark laws in that one year alone were introduced and passed or signed into law in '65 and '66 than ANY in the history of the Congress, imo, so Go 1965.

I'm sorry I was snide, but yeah, that's exactly what I meant--the last time society in America was going in a direction that the progressives of the time liked all around (rather than just on a few marquee issues) was the mid-1960s, when the Great Society was being put through and before the Vietnam War had become an obvious failure. So "progressives like it just fine" put me in mind of something someone might have said back then. Sorry again to be snippy about it, though.
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« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2021, 12:42:21 AM »


Many progressives I know of (like Phil Ochs) were saying labor unions were too weak in '65. If only they could see us today.
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2021, 01:14:31 AM »


Many progressives I know of (like Phil Ochs) were saying labor unions were too weak in '65. If only they could see us today.

Which makes his support for Eugene McCarthy bitterly ironic in hindsight.
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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2021, 01:17:41 AM »


Many progressives I know of (like Phil Ochs) were saying labor unions were too weak in '65. If only they could see us today.

Which makes his support for Eugene McCarthy bitterly ironic in hindsight.

Most leftists, myself included, would have voted for McCarthy over Humphrey.
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2021, 01:23:52 AM »

There’s nothing wrong with being a moron (at least in the abstract), no.
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« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2021, 02:32:10 AM »


Ok snide remark #2 I don't get tonight and if I don't get it, then it wasn't that cute - but 1965 was the year of LBJ's massively librul Democratic Congress and the enactment of soooo many laws.  More landmark laws in that one year alone were introduced and passed or signed into law in '65 and '66 than ANY in the history of the Congress, imo, so Go 1965.

I'm sorry I was snide, but yeah, that's exactly what I meant--the last time society in America was going in a direction that the progressives of the time liked all around (rather than just on a few marquee issues) was the mid-1960s, when the Great Society was being put through and before the Vietnam War had become an obvious failure. So "progressives like it just fine" put me in mind of something someone might have said back then. Sorry again to be snippy about it, though.

omg no worries - gee I was so sensitive on this forum last night.  I thought maybe you might have been saying that 1965 wasn't that great to live in... but from the perspective of people who are fairly progressive like you and me (am I right there that you lean towards progressive ideas?) yes that Congress in '65 and '66 was just able to pass so many landmark laws that are still with us and very popular I might add today such as Medicare for our seniors, those programs from the War on Poverty that really did work, Food stamps to try and reduce food insecurity for low-income families, Head Start, clean air and water, "Big Bird" lol.... so much was done in the mid-60s...and actually interesting thing is that the Great Society Congress was NOT rewarded for it by the voters - 1966 was a Republican year... so that should tell Democrats that they should not do big things expecting any kind of merit badge from the voterrs in the next election - that they should do big things because of what the voters said they wanted in the previous election.
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2021, 10:36:59 AM »

It is naïve and sheltered at best, and dangerously apathetic at worst.

You really can't think of a single thing that could be improved about society? Nothing about drug addiction, income inequality, or hyper-consumerism? Nothing?
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« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2021, 01:12:16 PM »

Yes.

It means you are fine with systemic inequalities, racism, and poverty.
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« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2021, 01:27:10 PM »

No, if its in the context of things could get a lot worse and by comparison it would be ok if things stayed the same.
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