Ted deutch (D-Fl) just accused Rashida tlaib of anti-semitism on floor of house

[Schiff for Senate]

Expel her and her three cronies.

Pretty sure Ted Deutsch identifies as a guy.

I suspect that John Dule is referring to Rashida Tlaib and the other three women in the Squad (AOC, Pressley and Omar).

[Big Abraham]

Expel her and her three cronies.

Pretty sure Ted Deutsch identifies as a guy.

I suspect that John Dule is referring to Rashida Tlaib and the other three women in the Squad (AOC, Pressley and Omar).

[Schiff for Senate]

What I find fascinating about this thread is that for a change, it's not Republicans vs Democrats (with Democrats naturally winning), but Israel-supporters/fanatics vs. Palestine-supporters/sympathizers. I'd say the thread has been about equally split, since 100% of the GOP posters (excluding me) have criticized Tlaib and only a relatively narrow majority (60-70% or so, maybe) of Democrats have criticized Deutch. If it were any issues - guns, abortion, the death penalty, taxes - at least 90% of Democrats would take one side and at least 90% would take the other. Here you have Democrats who are calling Tlaib an anti-semite and others who are blasting Deutch. Fascinating.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrunsky/status/1441087074031919119

Calling Israel apartheid might fly in the toxic dump that is dearborn Michigan.

It won’t fly among our already targeted Jewish brethren in south Florida and nyc

https://mobile.twitter.com/kampeas/status/1441087013612969992

So opposing Scottish independence is racism against scots?

[Schiff for Senate]

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrunsky/status/1441087074031919119
Calling Israel apartheid might fly in the toxic dump that is dearborn Michigan.

It won’t fly among our already targeted Jewish brethren in south Florida and nyc

https://mobile.twitter.com/kampeas/status/1441087013612969992

So opposing Scottish independence is racism against scots?

Yeah, the problem is that most politicians (including most Democrats) don't want to be pegged as anti-Semites, and the GOP and rabidly pro-Israel groups take advantage of that by labeling anyone critical of Israel as an anti-Semite. Pro-Palestine Democrats should do the converse and get Democrats to be moderately supportive of Palestine by accusing those who aren't of Islamaphobia. Currently most Democrats are too scared, too weak or too ignorant and are therefore blindly supportive of Israel. Not saying Palestine is faultless or that Israel is bad, the problem occurs when all the blame is assigned to Palestine (though in truth both sides are partly at fault) and any criticism of Israel, even if moderate and based on facts, is dismissed as anti-Semitism. Some Jews genuinely feel this way, but I feel like some pro-Israel groups take advantage of the label to silence anyone critical of Israel. Luckily, as a Palestinian-American herself, Tlaib knows the truth and is one of the few politicians of either party openly critical of Israel. I agree with Tlaib on this issue, though I think I'm more moderate and do oppose some of her rhetoric, and oppose Tlaib very strongly on her plan to abolish (!) the police.

Returning to my point of most politicians being too scared to criticize Israel, and most of them supporting it, carefully watch this C-SPAN video. No one claps when Tlaib finishes her monologue, but when Deutch finishes his, there's loud clapping (I think from Democrats and Republicans alike): https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4978398/democrats-debate-iron-dome-funding

It's sad that one of the issues the two parties most agree on is one that takes a one-sided view and is motivated by fear and political expedience, not out of moderation, pragmatism or common sense (because if those were the motivations, then gun control and environmentalism would be bipartisan, not a party-line issue).

[R.P. McM]

That the entire Jewish population being tied as a synonym to a foreign government's actions, and that literally any criticism of that government's actions is deemed anti-Semitism, is itself pretty damn anti-Semitic and downright hypocritical.

Exactly. If the Jewish population of the US and the Israeli government are viewed as indistinguishable, then nothing about the dual-loyalty "canard" is actually false or anti-Semitic. The proponents of this perspective are absolutely loyal to a foreign nation to an equal/greater extent than they are to the US. Think Jonathan Pollard, minus the espionage.

[R.P. McM]

Tlaib is a Palestinian. Can we give her a pass on not being supportive of Israel? Please?

Calling Israel an apartheid state is at once incendiary and false. There is no need for her to go there. So I won't give her a pass. I say this as one who has been harshly critical of the Israeli settlements unilaterally placed there on the West Bank, and the excessive US "blank check" to "let" Israel do that, since day one. The problem is that the Palestinian leadership itself has been hopeless. The whole thing is a freaking mess. It is almost as bad as the current state of the US public square!

What is out there to give one a reasonable level of confidence that "that woman" is not an incorrigible Jew hater btw?

Calm down Torie. It's time to take your meds, you old curmudgeon you.

So let’s just run down the list here.

Israel has separate qualifications for citizenship based of ethnic origin, a stateless population created by their ethnically tiered citizenship qualifications that is both physically separated and denied legal rights, periodic campaigns justified by those legal disabilities to remove that population, territories outside of the jurisdiction of their legal system in which to house stateless people under military administration.

But it’s not apartheid because no one speaks Africaans?

And the accusations of anti-semitism are particularly galling given that literally the only people talking about ‘the Jews’ are people trying to defend the Israeli government.

Good points, but I came to a conclusion years ago, that it doesn’t really matter.

Israel may not be the best friend of USA or other Western governments, but it’s a far better friend than the Palestinians will ever be, and siding with the Palestinians will not make Muslims in general and Arabs specific more friendly toward USA, they will hate you no matter what you do.

Wow, how did this massively bigoted statement escape censure? Besides the obvious, blatant double-standard, that is ...

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrunsky/status/1441087074031919119
Calling Israel apartheid might fly in the toxic dump that is dearborn Michigan.

It won’t fly among our already targeted Jewish brethren in south Florida and nyc

https://mobile.twitter.com/kampeas/status/1441087013612969992

So opposing Scottish independence is racism against scots?

Yeah, the problem is that most politicians (including most Democrats) don't want to be pegged as anti-Semites, and the GOP and rabidly pro-Israel groups take advantage of that by labeling anyone critical of Israel as an anti-Semite. Pro-Palestine Democrats should do the converse and get Democrats to be moderately supportive of Palestine by accusing those who aren't of Islamaphobia. Currently most Democrats are too scared, too weak or too ignorant and are therefore blindly supportive of Israel. Not saying Palestine is faultless or that Israel is bad, the problem occurs when all the blame is assigned to Palestine (though in truth both sides are partly at fault) and any criticism of Israel, even if moderate and based on facts, is dismissed as anti-Semitism. Some Jews genuinely feel this way, but I feel like some pro-Israel groups take advantage of the label to silence anyone critical of Israel. Luckily, as a Palestinian-American herself, Tlaib knows the truth and is one of the few politicians of either party openly critical of Israel. I agree with Tlaib on this issue, though I think I'm more moderate and do oppose some of her rhetoric, and oppose Tlaib very strongly on her plan to abolish (!) the police.

Returning to my point of most politicians being too scared to criticize Israel, and most of them supporting it, carefully watch this C-SPAN video. No one claps when Tlaib finishes her monologue, but when Deutch finishes his, there's loud clapping (I think from Democrats and Republicans alike): https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4978398/democrats-debate-iron-dome-funding

It's sad that one of the issues the two parties most agree on is one that takes a one-sided view and is motivated by fear and political expedience, not out of moderation, pragmatism or common sense (because if those were the motivations, then gun control and environmentalism would be bipartisan, not a party-line issue).

The whole issue is ethnic nationalism (which isn’t always inherently bad) making it very difficult for people to separate ethnic groups from the government, especially when that ethnic group has a history of persecution

[Fuzzy Bear]

Tlaib is anti-Jewish, period.

If the GOP can strip Steve King of his committee assignments, the Democrats can do the same to Tlaib.  They can also recruit a primary challenger.

The Democrats are in control of how much anti-Jewish sentiment they will tolerate from Tlaib.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Tlaib is anti-Jewish, period.

If the GOP can strip Steve King of his committee assignments, the Democrats can do the same to Tlaib.  They can also recruit a primary challenger.

The Democrats are in control of how much anti-Jewish sentiment they will tolerate from Tlaib.

It's certainly going to be amusing to see the response when Republicans hold a party-lines vote to strip Tlaib and Omar of their committees the same way the Democrats did to Greene.

It should be a bipartisan vote, just like that should have been, but I doubt it.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Tlaib is anti-Jewish, period.

If the GOP can strip Steve King of his committee assignments, the Democrats can do the same to Tlaib.  They can also recruit a primary challenger.

The Democrats are in control of how much anti-Jewish sentiment they will tolerate from Tlaib.

It's certainly going to be amusing to see the response when Republicans hold a party-lines vote to strip Tlaib and Omar of their committees the same way the Democrats did to Greene.

It should be a bipartisan vote, just like that should have been, but I doubt it.

They should do that when they take over the house

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Tlaib should be expelled. Along with Omar, MTG, and Matt Gaetz.

[Schiff for Senate]

Tlaib should be expelled. Along with Omar, MTG, and Matt Gaetz.

I get why you don't like Tlaib, but she's not really anti-Semitic; she was saying that the government needs to address Israel's humans rights abuses (and there are human rights abuses; she cited enough sources) before blindly supporting them. Yes, her rhetoric could have been toned down, but honestly, the charges of anti-Semitism are exaggerated. I don't see how she's anti-Semitic or why she should be expelled.

  Same goes for Omar, although I do know she made an anti-Jewish statement once by implying they love money ("it's all about the Benjamins") and made a controversial tweet in 2012. So it might make sense to distrust Omar.

 But why should the two Muslim women in Congress both be expelled, considering one of them (Tlaib) hasn't done anything more 'anti-Semitic' than opposing blind support to Israel? Not saying that you're Islamaphobic or anything, by the way, I'm just confused why so many people think Omar and Tlaib are anti-Semetic. That being said, I disagree with Tlaib on a lot of other issues, such as her wanting to abolish the police. And Omar is an extremist as well.

(I agree that MTG and Gaetz should be expelled, however, for obvious reasons.)

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Tlaib should be expelled. Along with Omar, MTG, and Matt Gaetz.

I get why you don't like Tlaib, but she's not really anti-Semitic; she was saying that the government needs to address Israel's humans rights abuses (and there are human rights abuses; she cited enough sources) before blindly supporting them. Yes, her rhetoric could have been toned down, but honestly, the charges of anti-Semitism are exaggerated. I don't see how she's anti-Semitic or why she should be expelled.

  Same goes for Omar, although I do know she made an anti-Jewish statement once by implying they love money ("it's all about the Benjamins") and made a controversial tweet in 2012. So it might make sense to distrust Omar.

 But why should the two Muslim women in Congress both be expelled, considering one of them (Tlaib) hasn't done anything more 'anti-Semitic' than opposing blind support to Israel? Not saying that you're Islamaphobic or anything, by the way, I'm just confused why so many people think Omar and Tlaib are anti-Semetic. That being said, I disagree with Tlaib on a lot of other issues, such as her wanting to abolish the police. And Omar is an extremist as well.

(I agree that MTG and Gaetz should be expelled, however, for obvious reasons.)

Not because of her views on Israel, but because her beliefs are literally insane. Also she and Omar planned to visit Israel on the dollar of an organization that supports suicide bombers killing Israeli children.

[Horus]

Tlaib should be expelled. Along with Omar, MTG, and Matt Gaetz.

I get why you don't like Tlaib, but she's not really anti-Semitic; she was saying that the government needs to address Israel's humans rights abuses (and there are human rights abuses; she cited enough sources) before blindly supporting them. Yes, her rhetoric could have been toned down, but honestly, the charges of anti-Semitism are exaggerated. I don't see how she's anti-Semitic or why she should be expelled.

  Same goes for Omar, although I do know she made an anti-Jewish statement once by implying they love money ("it's all about the Benjamins") and made a controversial tweet in 2012. So it might make sense to distrust Omar.

 But why should the two Muslim women in Congress both be expelled, considering one of them (Tlaib) hasn't done anything more 'anti-Semitic' than opposing blind support to Israel? Not saying that you're Islamaphobic or anything, by the way, I'm just confused why so many people think Omar and Tlaib are anti-Semetic. That being said, I disagree with Tlaib on a lot of other issues, such as her wanting to abolish the police. And Omar is an extremist as well.

(I agree that MTG and Gaetz should be expelled, however, for obvious reasons.)

Not because of her views on Israel, but because her beliefs are literally insane. Also she and Omar planned to visit Israel on the dollar of an organization that supports suicide bombers killing Israeli children.

If having literally insane beliefs is a prerequisite for expulsion, you might as well remove 80% of the Republican caucus, they're still acting like Trump won which is a literally insane and anti math point of view.

[Schiff for Senate]

Tlaib should be expelled. Along with Omar, MTG, and Matt Gaetz.

I get why you don't like Tlaib, but she's not really anti-Semitic; she was saying that the government needs to address Israel's humans rights abuses (and there are human rights abuses; she cited enough sources) before blindly supporting them. Yes, her rhetoric could have been toned down, but honestly, the charges of anti-Semitism are exaggerated. I don't see how she's anti-Semitic or why she should be expelled.

  Same goes for Omar, although I do know she made an anti-Jewish statement once by implying they love money ("it's all about the Benjamins") and made a controversial tweet in 2012. So it might make sense to distrust Omar.

 But why should the two Muslim women in Congress both be expelled, considering one of them (Tlaib) hasn't done anything more 'anti-Semitic' than opposing blind support to Israel? Not saying that you're Islamaphobic or anything, by the way, I'm just confused why so many people think Omar and Tlaib are anti-Semetic. That being said, I disagree with Tlaib on a lot of other issues, such as her wanting to abolish the police. And Omar is an extremist as well.

(I agree that MTG and Gaetz should be expelled, however, for obvious reasons.)

Not because of her views on Israel, but because her beliefs are literally insane. Also she and Omar planned to visit Israel on the dollar of an organization that supports suicide bombers killing Israeli children.

If having literally insane beliefs is a prerequisite for expulsion, you might as well remove 80% of the Republican caucus, they're still acting like Trump won which is a literally insane and anti math point of view.

Horus is right; 139 House Republicans at least publicly believe that the election was stolen from Trump and should be expelled before Tlaib and Omar are. Not saying they aren't extremists, but whatever arguably anti-Semitic thing they did, isn't as bad as trying to end America's democracy. The fact is that a lot of Republicans are closeted anti-Semites themselves, and they occasionally let it slip. For just one example, Mary Miller (R-IL) literally quoted Adolf Hitler, and many others compare anything and everything they dislike to the Holocaust. Too many examples to list. It's unfair to single out Tlaib and Omar just because there are too many Republicans to count. It's all right to say they should be expelled, perhaps, BUT then do your research and make sure you include every single member of Congress (including a large percentage of the GOP) who has been in any way anti-Semetic at some point faces the same consequences.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

Tlaib should be expelled. Along with Omar, MTG, and Matt Gaetz.

I get why you don't like Tlaib, but she's not really anti-Semitic; she was saying that the government needs to address Israel's humans rights abuses (and there are human rights abuses; she cited enough sources) before blindly supporting them. Yes, her rhetoric could have been toned down, but honestly, the charges of anti-Semitism are exaggerated. I don't see how she's anti-Semitic or why she should be expelled.

  Same goes for Omar, although I do know she made an anti-Jewish statement once by implying they love money ("it's all about the Benjamins") and made a controversial tweet in 2012. So it might make sense to distrust Omar.

 But why should the two Muslim women in Congress both be expelled, considering one of them (Tlaib) hasn't done anything more 'anti-Semitic' than opposing blind support to Israel? Not saying that you're Islamaphobic or anything, by the way, I'm just confused why so many people think Omar and Tlaib are anti-Semetic. That being said, I disagree with Tlaib on a lot of other issues, such as her wanting to abolish the police. And Omar is an extremist as well.

(I agree that MTG and Gaetz should be expelled, however, for obvious reasons.)

Not because of her views on Israel, but because her beliefs are literally insane. Also she and Omar planned to visit Israel on the dollar of an organization that supports suicide bombers killing Israeli children.

If having literally insane beliefs is a prerequisite for expulsion, you might as well remove 80% of the Republican caucus, they're still acting like Trump won which is a literally insane and anti math point of view.

Horus is right; 139 House Republicans at least publicly believe that the election was stolen from Trump and should be expelled before Tlaib and Omar are. Not saying they aren't extremists, but whatever arguably anti-Semitic thing they did, isn't as bad as trying to end America's democracy. The fact is that a lot of Republicans are closeted anti-Semites themselves, and they occasionally let it slip. For just one example, Mary Miller (R-IL) literally quoted Adolf Hitler, and many others compare anything and everything they dislike to the Holocaust. Too many examples to list. It's unfair to single out Tlaib and Omar just because there are too many Republicans to count. It's all right to say they should be expelled, perhaps, BUT then do your research and make sure you include every single member of Congress (including a large percentage of the GOP) who has been in any way anti-Semetic at some point faces the same consequences.

At this point we should just expel everyone and start over.

[Schiff for Senate]

Tlaib should be expelled. Along with Omar, MTG, and Matt Gaetz.

I get why you don't like Tlaib, but she's not really anti-Semitic; she was saying that the government needs to address Israel's humans rights abuses (and there are human rights abuses; she cited enough sources) before blindly supporting them. Yes, her rhetoric could have been toned down, but honestly, the charges of anti-Semitism are exaggerated. I don't see how she's anti-Semitic or why she should be expelled.

  Same goes for Omar, although I do know she made an anti-Jewish statement once by implying they love money ("it's all about the Benjamins") and made a controversial tweet in 2012. So it might make sense to distrust Omar.

 But why should the two Muslim women in Congress both be expelled, considering one of them (Tlaib) hasn't done anything more 'anti-Semitic' than opposing blind support to Israel? Not saying that you're Islamaphobic or anything, by the way, I'm just confused why so many people think Omar and Tlaib are anti-Semetic. That being said, I disagree with Tlaib on a lot of other issues, such as her wanting to abolish the police. And Omar is an extremist as well.

(I agree that MTG and Gaetz should be expelled, however, for obvious reasons.)

Not because of her views on Israel, but because her beliefs are literally insane. Also she and Omar planned to visit Israel on the dollar of an organization that supports suicide bombers killing Israeli children.

If having literally insane beliefs is a prerequisite for expulsion, you might as well remove 80% of the Republican caucus, they're still acting like Trump won which is a literally insane and anti math point of view.

Horus is right; 139 House Republicans at least publicly believe that the election was stolen from Trump and should be expelled before Tlaib and Omar are. Not saying they aren't extremists, but whatever arguably anti-Semitic thing they did, isn't as bad as trying to end America's democracy. The fact is that a lot of Republicans are closeted anti-Semites themselves, and they occasionally let it slip. For just one example, Mary Miller (R-IL) literally quoted Adolf Hitler, and many others compare anything and everything they dislike to the Holocaust. Too many examples to list. It's unfair to single out Tlaib and Omar just because there are too many Republicans to count. It's all right to say they should be expelled, perhaps, BUT then do your research and make sure you include every single member of Congress (including a large percentage of the GOP) who has been in any way anti-Semetic at some point faces the same consequences.

At this point we should just expel everyone and start over.

Not everyone, but a lot should go, though I wouldn't mind if everyone was expelled but Adam Kinzinger, a true freedom fighter.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Tlaib should be expelled. Along with Omar, MTG, and Matt Gaetz.

I get why you don't like Tlaib, but she's not really anti-Semitic; she was saying that the government needs to address Israel's humans rights abuses (and there are human rights abuses; she cited enough sources) before blindly supporting them. Yes, her rhetoric could have been toned down, but honestly, the charges of anti-Semitism are exaggerated. I don't see how she's anti-Semitic or why she should be expelled.

  Same goes for Omar, although I do know she made an anti-Jewish statement once by implying they love money ("it's all about the Benjamins") and made a controversial tweet in 2012. So it might make sense to distrust Omar.

 But why should the two Muslim women in Congress both be expelled, considering one of them (Tlaib) hasn't done anything more 'anti-Semitic' than opposing blind support to Israel? Not saying that you're Islamaphobic or anything, by the way, I'm just confused why so many people think Omar and Tlaib are anti-Semetic. That being said, I disagree with Tlaib on a lot of other issues, such as her wanting to abolish the police. And Omar is an extremist as well.

(I agree that MTG and Gaetz should be expelled, however, for obvious reasons.)

There is no reason at this time to expel either of those individuals.

If the voters wish to expel them there will be a primary next year.  Neither Gaetz nor MTG have been charged with crimes  The voters elected them and they should have them for the duration of their terms.

[Schiff for Senate]

Tlaib should be expelled. Along with Omar, MTG, and Matt Gaetz.

I get why you don't like Tlaib, but she's not really anti-Semitic; she was saying that the government needs to address Israel's humans rights abuses (and there are human rights abuses; she cited enough sources) before blindly supporting them. Yes, her rhetoric could have been toned down, but honestly, the charges of anti-Semitism are exaggerated. I don't see how she's anti-Semitic or why she should be expelled.

  Same goes for Omar, although I do know she made an anti-Jewish statement once by implying they love money ("it's all about the Benjamins") and made a controversial tweet in 2012. So it might make sense to distrust Omar.

 But why should the two Muslim women in Congress both be expelled, considering one of them (Tlaib) hasn't done anything more 'anti-Semitic' than opposing blind support to Israel? Not saying that you're Islamaphobic or anything, by the way, I'm just confused why so many people think Omar and Tlaib are anti-Semetic. That being said, I disagree with Tlaib on a lot of other issues, such as her wanting to abolish the police. And Omar is an extremist as well.

(I agree that MTG and Gaetz should be expelled, however, for obvious reasons.)

There is no reason at this time to expel either of those individuals.

If the voters wish to expel them there will be a primary next year.  Neither Gaetz nor MTG have been charged with crimes  The voters elected them and they should have them for the duration of their terms.

Do you think Omar and Tlaib should be expelled?