AOC cancels attendance in a ‘Peace Now’ memorial event for Rabin

[Pyro]

Hugely disappointed in AOC, and in the other maroon avatar in this thread. If memorializing Yitzhak Rabin is too (((Zio))) for you, the only direction left to go on Israel/Palestine is full Ethnic Cleansing But Woke.

Oh, you mean me? I would say memorializing Rabin is a bad idea.
If Rabin is the furthest "left" possible, then that presents a very bleak vision, my friend.

The other maroon avatar has openly said that they don't consider Israel a legitimate nation, so this doesn't surprise me at all.

I would appreciate it if you didn't go around putting words in my mouth. Thank you.

Man, you think I didn't come prepared?

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=212806.25

Last post in the thread. Still quoted, even if the actual post was deleted in...oh, the last fifteen minutes.

I mean, it was five years ago, so if you've changed your mind on the idea that "Only Palestine has the right to exist as a legitimate state", I'm open to hearing that. We've all moved on from terribly bigoted opinions.

No, I don't stand by that post made in the last decade. Deleted it for that reason.

I support the rights of Palestinians, and will maintain the idea of a secular state.

I would hope that you've evolved your views of the West Bank being "Israeli territory" as well.
I mean, we've all moved on from terribly bigoted opinions.

[America Needs R'hllor]

This is extremely disappointing, and I'm just about down with her. The most striking thing about this is the cowardice- a pathetic level of cowardice I've seen only from people like Susan Collins. A random person on Twitter scares her off? She's not the bold leader progressives want.

Rabin waged war and did some wrong things in his life, in defense of what he and the other members of his generation viewed as the best chance for survival of the whole Jewish people. But he was one of the greatest advocates of peace in the history of the Middle East, and he died for it. If he's not good enough for the far-left, the issue is no longer ideology or historical narratives- the issue is that they don't believe Jews, specifically and especially, deserve their own safe national home.

I'm curious to see what the anti-zionist left would make of Egyptian President Sa'adat. He, like Rabin, waged war in his life, and died because he wanted to make peace. For some reason, I can't shake off the feeling AOC would gladly praise him and not get much of a pushback.

Tl;dr: Coward.

I'm not familiar with Rabin or Peace Now, but generally I fe glad to see politicians doing things other than fellating Israel 24/7 and turning their backs on Palestine.

This is what makes this whole thing so astounding as an Israeli. Peace Now is one of, if not the most, far-left zionist organizations in Israel. If the American far-left would reject it, it's no home for any Jew.

[PSOL]

Sa’dat cursed Egypt by embracing Islamist rhetoric and dismantling social programs inevitably picked up by the Muslim Brotherhood, which in turn spawned Al Qaeda to grow in the background, so I don’t know where your going with this Parrotguy.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Sa’dat cursed Egypt by embracing Islamist rhetoric and dismantling social programs inevitably picked up by the Muslim Brotherhood, which in turn spawned Al Qaeda to grow in the background, so I don’t know where your going with this Parrotguy.

Extremely besides the point, and I'm 99% sure that your reaction is unique to the online far-left. My point is that there's an "Israel derangement syndrome" among the far-left in the U.S. that leads to this result of rejecting an event by a very leftist group in the memory of a great man of peace who was murdered for his striving towards peace.

[Hnv1]

I'm not familiar with Rabin or Peace Now, but generally I fe glad to see politicians doing things other than fellating Israel 24/7 and turning their backs on Palestine.

You don't know who Rabin was but have strong opinions on Palestine? sounds about right for the fringe crowd on the far left.

[jaymichaud]

She's trash.

[Hnv1]

Sa’dat cursed Egypt by embracing Islamist rhetoric and dismantling social programs inevitably picked up by the Muslim Brotherhood, which in turn spawned Al Qaeda to grow in the background, so I don’t know where your going with this Parrotguy.

This is a gross oversimplification and outright wrong in parts. Islamic rhetorics started far earlier than Sadat to the days of the Wafd, and had very little to do with growth of Al Qaeda (which in turn was at its height a small organization).

[Pyro]

Hugely disappointed in AOC, and in the other maroon avatar in this thread. If memorializing Yitzhak Rabin is too (((Zio))) for you, the only direction left to go on Israel/Palestine is full Ethnic Cleansing But Woke.

Oh, you mean me? I would say memorializing Rabin is a bad idea.
If Rabin is the furthest "left" possible, then that presents a very bleak vision, my friend.

Do you only ever approve of memorializing or thinking well of figures who are "the furthest left possible"?

The objective fact is that Rabin and Arafat, during that particular stage of Arafat's long and checkered career, came closer than anyone else has before or since to forging a peace that both Jewish and Arab inhabitants of the Southern Levant could more or less live with. They certainly came closer than any subsequent generation of Palestinian "leadership", and they sure as hell came closer than Netanyahu, Gantz, and their crew have any interest in coming. I think we should be allowed to mourn that missed opportunity and honor the people who almost made it work without having to weep and gnash our teeth that Rabin and Arafat weren't woke baes who could do no wrong.

Rabin had made it clear that the Oslo Accords were never meant to solve the foundational problems facing Palestinians. While Arafat went as far as to officially recognize Israel, condemn violence and enact disciplinary action for agitators on his side, Rabin's sole concession was recognition of the PLO as a Palestinian authority. Rabin did not indicate the slightest interest in critiquing the settlement system nor state violence from the Israeli forces. Hell, he didn't even admit that Palestinians had a right to exist. Even if Oslo did magically succeed in forging a peace, it would have not have been a fair peace, and it would not have been lasting. I'm sure you're also aware of Rabin's crackdown in the First Intifada and all of the associated controversies there, so I'd rather not get too far into it, but despite him being a far better leader than Netanyahu or Gantz, I would not consider a commemoration justified.

[Hnv1]

Hugely disappointed in AOC, and in the other maroon avatar in this thread. If memorializing Yitzhak Rabin is too (((Zio))) for you, the only direction left to go on Israel/Palestine is full Ethnic Cleansing But Woke.

Oh, you mean me? I would say memorializing Rabin is a bad idea.
If Rabin is the furthest "left" possible, then that presents a very bleak vision, my friend.

Do you only ever approve of memorializing or thinking well of figures who are "the furthest left possible"?

The objective fact is that Rabin and Arafat, during that particular stage of Arafat's long and checkered career, came closer than anyone else has before or since to forging a peace that both Jewish and Arab inhabitants of the Southern Levant could more or less live with. They certainly came closer than any subsequent generation of Palestinian "leadership", and they sure as hell came closer than Netanyahu, Gantz, and their crew have any interest in coming. I think we should be allowed to mourn that missed opportunity and honor the people who almost made it work without having to weep and gnash our teeth that Rabin and Arafat weren't woke baes who could do no wrong.

Rabin had made it clear that the Oslo Accords were never meant to solve the foundational problems facing Palestinians. While Arafat went as far as to officially recognize Israel, condemn violence and enact disciplinary action for agitators on his side, Rabin's sole concession was recognition of the PLO as a Palestinian authority. Rabin did not indicate the slightest interest in critiquing the settlement system nor state violence from the Israeli forces. Hell, he didn't even admit that Palestinians had a right to exist. Even if Oslo did magically succeed in forging a peace, it would have not have been a fair peace, and it would not have been lasting. I'm sure you're also aware of Rabin's crackdown in the First Intifada and all of the associated controversies there, so I'd rather not get too far into it, but despite him being a far better leader than Netanyahu or Gantz, I would not consider a commemoration justified.

We are talking about the same Arafat whose HQ planned and coordinated the start of the second Intifida? Or brought the rampant corruption from Tunisia that robbed millions of dollars from poor Palestinian after Oslo?
He only cracked down on Hamas for internal political reasons. Rabin was no saint, but Arafat was hands down a wretched HP who without Abbas would have managed nothing. And if you had any historical knowledge you'd know Rabin called the settlements cancer as early as the late 70's.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I'm not familiar with Rabin or Peace Now, but generally I fe glad to see politicians doing things other than fellating Israel 24/7 and turning their backs on Palestine.

You don't know who Rabin was but have strong opinions on Palestine? sounds about right for the fringe crowd on the far left.

I suppose the issue is that these are people sundered from History, and what possible meaning does the name of Rabin have to someone who has no sense of History? After all, his great significance (and in the end his quite genuine heroism) came from an acute awareness of its importance, and his consequent unwillingness to view political action as the forward projection of an endless present.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I really doubt AOC has any problem with Rabin or else she would've never signed up for the event in the first place although bowing to the pressure of annoying people on Twitter is disappointing.

[Big Abraham]

I really doubt AOC has any problem with Rabin or else she would've never signed up for the event in the first place although bowing to the pressure of annoying people on Twitter is disappointing.

Despite my extreme disagreements with Rabin, I fully agree

[GoTfan]

This in zero ways affects Biden, especially as I'm sure he'll be the first to condemn this and offer his own tribute to Rabin.

She is what she is, and what she is is an unrepentant Corbynist. She tried to play coy for a while, but the full Jew-hatred is going to come out in spades as she gears up to run for POTUS in 2024.

Take a deep breath and calm down for a while. Christ, you're the same people who say Sanders is a self-hating Jew.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

This in zero ways affects Biden, especially as I'm sure he'll be the first to condemn this and offer his own tribute to Rabin.

She is what she is, and what she is is an unrepentant Corbynist. She tried to play coy for a while, but the full Jew-hatred is going to come out in spades as she gears up to run for POTUS in 2024.

Take a deep breath and calm down for a while. Christ, you're the same people who say Sanders is a self-hating Jew.

He endorsed Corbyn twice as many times as AOC did. So I'll let people decide if that's a fair description of him.

[GoTfan]

This in zero ways affects Biden, especially as I'm sure he'll be the first to condemn this and offer his own tribute to Rabin.

She is what she is, and what she is is an unrepentant Corbynist. She tried to play coy for a while, but the full Jew-hatred is going to come out in spades as she gears up to run for POTUS in 2024.

Take a deep breath and calm down for a while. Christ, you're the same people who say Sanders is a self-hating Jew.

He endorsed Corbyn twice as many times as AOC did. So I'll let people decide if that's a fair description of him.

Again, I would suggest calming down and taking a chill pill or something.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

Hugely disappointed in AOC, and in the other maroon avatar in this thread. If memorializing Yitzhak Rabin is too (((Zio))) for you, the only direction left to go on Israel/Palestine is full Ethnic Cleansing But Woke.

The other maroon avatar has openly said that they don't consider Israel a legitimate nation, so this doesn't surprise me at all.

I am always disturbed by those who hold such viewpoints. It is as if they forget about the Holocaust, which is the very reason why the Jewish people need a safe and secure homeland of their own, so that they can never be placed in jeopardy again, at the hands of an enemy that would seek their annihilation (like the Nazis did). Yes, I'm aware of the arguments about how the Palestinians have been treated, and I certainly don't condone much of what Netanyahu's government has done. But that shouldn't be extended to say that the Holy Land is to be closed off entirely to those who call it their home.

...Israel has been doing that to Palestinians for over 70 years.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Who the hell was Rabin?

Former PM of Israel, Nobel Peace Prize winner, helped write the Oslo Accords. Assassinated by a far-right terrorist.

Everyone's already said my thoughts on this well enough (particularly Parrotguy and Nathan). After educating myself on this, it's pretty clear that Rabin is a man worth memorializing. I'm deeply disappointed that AOC chose to govern from a few Twitter people who were Mad Online.

[SevenEleven]

Having facts is better than having opinions, particularly when your opinions aren't guided by factual knowledge.