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« on: June 23, 2020, 09:29:05 AM »

The US should obviously throw all the confederate trash into the sea, but have we forgotten one of the largest confederalist memorials is the inexplicable transformation of the political wing of the Confederacy into a standard boring centre-left national party?
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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2020, 09:35:23 AM »

Yes. And they should disband the GOP too.
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2020, 09:43:23 AM »

Dems should be disbanded  and Dems dont even need the South to win the Prez, 279 blue wall on includes VA, which is really integrated with DC. The 279 blue wall was how Lincoln got elected in 1864 without the South
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2020, 09:49:27 AM »

Repeal and replace.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2020, 10:00:26 AM »

They should at least change their name, so as not to emotionally scar anyone.
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2020, 10:48:43 AM »

They should at least change their name, so as not to emotionally scar anyone.

Since 1992 they are the Secular party and Traditional party, that's why we have seen the South except VA vote Solid R. Will do so again except in landslides of Clinton and Obama yrs
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2020, 10:57:15 AM »

They should at least change their name, so as not to emotionally scar anyone.

Since 1992 they are the Secular party and Traditional party, that's why we have seen the South except VA vote Solid R. Will do so again except in landslides of Clinton and Obama yrs

True.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2020, 02:09:01 PM »

I mean, yes, but not for that reason.
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2020, 02:30:43 PM »

The Democratic Party was not "the political wing of the Confederacy." In the North, there were War Democrats and staunch Unionist Democrats. Not all were Copperheads, not even close. Also many politicians in the actual Confederate Congress were Whigs, not Democrats. In fact Whigs dominated among the plantation owner class in the antebellum South and subsequently in the Confederacy. It was mostly poor, non-slave owning whites who were Democrats.

It has NEVER been as black and white as Democrat=Racist Confederate and Republican=Anti-Racist Unionist.

Even when you get into the KKK era, you get guys like DC Stephenson who was the Grand Wizard of the KKK in Indiana and a major influence on Republican politics in the state. In fact the majority of the Klan in the Midwest during its height in the 20s were Republicans.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2020, 05:29:55 PM »

The Democratic Party was not "the political wing of the Confederacy." In the North, there were War Democrats and staunch Unionist Democrats. Not all were Copperheads, not even close. Also many politicians in the actual Confederate Congress were Whigs, not Democrats. In fact Whigs dominated among the plantation owner class in the antebellum South and subsequently in the Confederacy. It was mostly poor, non-slave owning whites who were Democrats.

It has NEVER been as black and white as Democrat=Racist Confederate and Republican=Anti-Racist Unionist.

Even when you get into the KKK era, you get guys like DC Stephenson who was the Grand Wizard of the KKK in Indiana and a major influence on Republican politics in the state. In fact the majority of the Klan in the Midwest during its height in the 20s were Republicans.

Good post ... I honestly feel like if more liberals knew how (EQUALLY) racist of a past the GOP had in different ways, they might not peddle party-switch arguments as often.
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2020, 05:38:48 PM »

That is a pretty wild oversimplification of the fascinating history of the Democratic Party.
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2020, 07:19:47 PM »

> implying that the Democratic Party exists in any meaningful sense

America doesn't have real political parties.
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2020, 07:31:45 PM »

That is a pretty wild oversimplification of the fascinating history of the Democratic Party.

Yes, Andrew Jackson was fascinating in his slave-owning and Indian-murdering and violent contempt for everyone who opposed him.

Martin Van Buren was better in his views (and actually was key to organizing the political machines that Jackson benefited from), but notice he later became a Free Soil man...
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2020, 07:34:37 PM »

The house of cards will definitely fall. A party with everyone from the Blue Dogs to the DSA can not operate effectively.
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2020, 07:38:33 PM »

The house of cards will definitely fall. A party with everyone from the Blue Dogs to the DSA can not operate effectively.

I mean, the 1940s Democratic party had reactionary Dixiecrats and socialists in all but name. That's just how US parties work.

As long as all factions will have a reason to hate Republicans more than they hate each other, they will hang together.
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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2020, 11:23:49 AM »

That is a pretty wild oversimplification of the fascinating history of the Democratic Party.

Martin Van Buren was better in his views (and actually was key to organizing the political machines that Jackson benefited from), but notice he later became a Free Soil man...

...and then moved back into the Democratic Party for the remainder of his life, and opposed secession in 1860. Stephen A. Douglas, the 1860 nominee of Northern Democrats, also spent much of his campaign denouncing secession and rallied support around Lincoln prior to his premature death in mid-1861.

I'm no fan of the 19th century Democratic Party, but it's simply wrong to say that it was the "political wing of the Confederacy".
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2020, 07:58:22 PM »

Democrat Party is the grammatically correct term for the Democratic Party. The Party is not "democratic," and proper nouns like "Democrat" are not converted into adjectives by adding "ic" as a suffix. For example, it is not the "Republicanic Party," or the "Libertarianic Party," or a "Smith-ic Wedding." yet many Democrats bristle at the term "Democrat Party." and perhaps they prefer the false illusion that their party is somehow more "democratic" than other parties. In fact, the Democrat Party is less democratic than the other political parties.

In the 1800s, the Democrat Party was predominantly pro-slavery. Today, the Democrat Party is predominantly pro-abortion.
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2020, 02:19:45 AM »

This sounds like something proposed by dumb people who think they're smart.
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