Israel bans Omar and Tlaib from entry

[T'Chenka]

So, three people in a row all pretending like Carlos Latuff isn't well known to be wildly antisemitic and using a cartoon by him isn't so much a dogwhistle as a bullhorn. 'kay.

The Stephen Roth institute and Wiesenthal Center don't have a monopoly on defining antisemitism. Many other Jews and Jewish publications have also expressed the opinion that he is not. 'kay.

It looks like the mask is fully off now.

Before there were certain poster(s) claiming (not in these words of course) that jews get to literally invent new definitions of anti-semetism at a whim and we all must follow them or we're anti-semetic.

Now we see the real ideology: jews that agree with them and the above definition get to literally invent new definitions of anti-semetism at a whim and we all must follow them or we're anti-semetic, including the traitor jews that disagree with them.

This is very constructive and will go a long way to abolishing anti-semetuc ideologies. Truly groundbreaking stuff.

[Fuzzy Bear]

On the narrow issue of a Visa, Israel has the right to deny visas to anyone, for whatever reasons they wish. 

We have denied Visas to Communists, Fascists, and all sorts of folks on ideology, and ideology alone.  Tlaib and Omar's ideology calls for the elimination of the State of Israel.  That's where they're at, and that kind of speaks for itself.

Tlaib's refusal to accept Israel's conditions in order to visit her grandmother is evidence to me that her visit was about more than family.

[T'Chenka]

Tlaib and Omar's ideology calls for the elimination of the State of Israel.

Fuzzy... what the f__k are you talking about? You're just regurgitating the propoganda without checking to see if it's horses__t or not first.

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

Tlaib and Omar's ideology calls for the elimination of the State of Israel.

Fuzzy... what the f__k are you talking about? You're just regurgitating the propoganda without checking to see if it's horses__t or not first.

So...BDS doesn't call for the end of Israel?

[NOVA Green]

The overwhelming majority of Jewish-Americans oppose the extremist policies of the Settler Population and support a Two-State solution.

America was one of three major counties in the World that opened the borders to those fleeing religious persecution at the hands of the Nazis.  (America, Russia, Mexico).

As Millions fled the Holocaust to various points and the creation of a huge Jewish Diaspora (Once again just like the ten lost tribes of Israel), the Statue of Liberty was a beacon towards a new land, where the previous generation of Jews fleeing the pogroms of Central and Eastern Europe had migrated to, including legendary Labor activist Emma Goldman and many others working in the Textile industry of Manhattan.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Ten-Lost-Tribes-of-Israel

Although this seems like a lifetime ago, the special relationship between America and Israel goes back to the foundation of the modern state of Israel.

The rubber bullets used against demonstrators in the West Bank in the late '80s shifted public opinion not only among Jews in Israel, but also in America, against the tactics used where the military protection of land as a strategic buffer to prevent another attempted Arab Invasion of Israel turned into a permanent occupation regime....

Even the Settler Movement was designed more a series of military outposts for strategic control initially, rather than a full blown colonization of the West Bank....

That shifted sometime after the fall of the Soviet Union, where Israel as part of their own "Statue of Liberty" adds 2 Million in population from Central and Eastern Europe.

This creates not only a major cost burden on the Israeli State, but additionally how to assimilate all of the ethnic secular Jews, without taking away from the social service provisions from arguably one of the most generous "Welfare State" countries in the world when it comes to the declaration of human rights such as housing, jobs, food, etc?

Israeli politicians started to push the newer generation of Jewish Immigrants into the West Bank, frequently into situations that were more like ghettos than anything else, while at the same time refusing or delaying negotiations on a final two state solution....

I can be both a proud supporter of Israel and the Jewish Community, while also simultaneously recognizing the actual history, and the lack of response at the hands of the Center-Right Israeli Government over the past two decades....

Although Bibi might believe he is secure right now to continue these same types of policies, while him and his wealthy buddies pocket cash despite successive corruption inquiries, at some point there will be a new Coalition Government of Israel, and a new Administration in Washington....

Democrats in Washington will still continue to support Israel (As we have since '48), but the Evangelical Fundis that control US Foreign Policy on Israel are one trick pony's that still support "Jewish Conversion Programs", "Jews for Jesus" and all that crap, and they will have little influence come January 2021.

The Trump Administration has been supplying massive armaments to Saudi Arabia (One of the biggest enemy's of Israel) despite a congressional ban since the Crown Prince brutally murdered a Saudi Journalist within the Turkish Embassy....

I am a supporter of Israel, but there are multiple political parties and perspectives, and there is no such thing as a "blank check" to support one particular political party in Israel, where even a large majority of American Jews disagree with the direction of the current Government....

[T'Chenka]

Tlaib and Omar's ideology calls for the elimination of the State of Israel.

Fuzzy... what the f__k are you talking about? You're just regurgitating the propoganda without checking to see if it's horses__t or not first.

So...BDS doesn't call for the end of Israel?

Wikipedia

The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (also known as BDS) is a Palestinian-led[1][2][3] campaign promoting various forms of boycott against Israel until it meets what the campaign describes as Israel's obligations under international law,[4] defined as withdrawal from the occupied territories, removal of the separation barrier in the West Bank, full equality for Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel, and "respecting, protecting, and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties".[4] The campaign is organized and coordinated by the Palestinian BDS National Committee.[5]

[Landslide Lyndon]

Tlaib and Omar's ideology calls for the elimination of the State of Israel.

Fuzzy... what the f__k are you talking about? You're just regurgitating the propoganda without checking to see if it's horses__t or not first.

So...BDS doesn't call for the end of Israel?

Do the Russia or Iran sanctions call for the end of these states?

[Fuzzy Bear]

Tlaib and Omar's ideology calls for the elimination of the State of Israel.

Fuzzy... what the f__k are you talking about? You're just regurgitating the propoganda without checking to see if it's horses__t or not first.

On Tlaib and Omar, I have a closed mind. 

Whatever terms Israel wishes to set on them entering that country, I'm fine with.  They're a sovereign nation.  I expect THEIR anti-Semitism and bigotry to be excused by you, but that's OK.  That's just you being you.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

So, three people in a row all pretending like Carlos Latuff isn't well known to be wildly antisemitic and using a cartoon by him isn't so much a dogwhistle as a bullhorn. 'kay.

The Stephen Roth institute and Wiesenthal Center don't have a monopoly on defining antisemitism. Many other Jews and Jewish publications have also expressed the opinion that he is not. 'kay.

It looks like the mask is fully off now.

Before there were certain poster(s) claiming (not in these words of course) that jews get to literally invent new definitions of anti-semetism at a whim and we all must follow them or we're anti-semetic.

Now we see the real ideology: jews that agree with them and the above definition get to literally invent new definitions of anti-semetism at a whim and we all must follow them or we're anti-semetic, including the traitor jews that disagree with them.

This is very constructive and will go a long way to abolishing anti-semetuc ideologies. Truly groundbreaking stuff.

Seek help

[Fuzzy Bear]

So, three people in a row all pretending like Carlos Latuff isn't well known to be wildly antisemitic and using a cartoon by him isn't so much a dogwhistle as a bullhorn. 'kay.

The Stephen Roth institute and Wiesenthal Center don't have a monopoly on defining antisemitism. Many other Jews and Jewish publications have also expressed the opinion that he is not. 'kay.

It looks like the mask is fully off now.

Before there were certain poster(s) claiming (not in these words of course) that jews get to literally invent new definitions of anti-semetism at a whim and we all must follow them or we're anti-semetic.

Now we see the real ideology: jews that agree with them and the above definition get to literally invent new definitions of anti-semetism at a whim and we all must follow them or we're anti-semetic, including the traitor jews that disagree with them.

This is very constructive and will go a long way to abolishing anti-semetuc ideologies. Truly groundbreaking stuff.

Seek help

He's beyond help.

[°Leprechaun]

First Trump tell Tlaib to go back to where she came from and then he stops her from going back where she came from. He's like the scarecrow, he can't make up his mind.

[T'Chenka]

So, three people in a row all pretending like Carlos Latuff isn't well known to be wildly antisemitic and using a cartoon by him isn't so much a dogwhistle as a bullhorn. 'kay.

The Stephen Roth institute and Wiesenthal Center don't have a monopoly on defining antisemitism. Many other Jews and Jewish publications have also expressed the opinion that he is not. 'kay.

It looks like the mask is fully off now.

Before there were certain poster(s) claiming (not in these words of course) that jews get to literally invent new definitions of anti-semetism at a whim and we all must follow them or we're anti-semetic.

Now we see the real ideology: jews that agree with them and the above definition get to literally invent new definitions of anti-semetism at a whim and we all must follow them or we're anti-semetic, including the traitor jews that disagree with them.

This is very constructive and will go a long way to abolishing anti-semetuc ideologies. Truly groundbreaking stuff.

Seek help

It's crazy stuff, I'm just a third party observing and reporting.

[DavidB.]

America was one of three major counties in the World that opened the borders to those fleeing religious persecution at the hands of the Nazis.  (America, Russia, Mexico).

As Millions fled the Holocaust to various points and the creation of a huge Jewish Diaspora (Once again just like the ten lost tribes of Israel), the Statue of Liberty was a beacon towards a new land, where the previous generation of Jews fleeing the pogroms of Central and Eastern Europe had migrated to, including legendary Labor activist Emma Goldman and many others working in the Textile industry of Manhattan.

This isn't really true though... Most Jews immigrated to the U.S. far before the 30s and 40s, and throughout the 30s and 40s the U.S. mostly kept its borders closed to Jewish immigrants.

[Fuzzy Bear]

First Trump tell Tlaib to go back to where she came from and then he stops her from going back where she came from. He's like the scarecrow, he can't make up his mind.

Tlaib is an apologist for the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a Nazi collaborator during WWII.  The Grand Mufti desired to work with Hitler to end the Jewish National Home in Palestine and evict all of the Jews that were there (including Arabic-speaking Jews who had been there through the centuries).  The Grand Mufti is the Heritage that Yasir Arafat and Hamas stand on. 

[Landslide Lyndon]

First Trump tell Tlaib to go back to where she came from and then he stops her from going back where she came from. He's like the scarecrow, he can't make up his mind.

Tlaib is an apologist for the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a Nazi collaborator during WWII.  The Grand Mufti desired to work with Hitler to end the Jewish National Home in Palestine and evict all of the Jews that were there (including Arabic-speaking Jews who had been there through the centuries).  The Grand Mufti is the Heritage that Yasir Arafat and Hamas stand on. 

Says the guy who defends the guy who thinks that neo-Nazis are "very fine people".

[Stranger in a strange land]

Anyway, looks like the mask is fully off.



Tlaib and Omar both have it as the lead "Story" when you click on their profile picture. It disappears in two hours, so check if you want to see it.

The Star Of David is representative of both jews AND Israel, also Trump isn't jewish so the star in this context probably means Israel. COULD it be anti-semetic? Yes. Is it actually? Probably not and not proveable in the small chance that it is.

Do you check under your bed for nazis before you go to sleep?

This sort of thing is why I won't post any cartoon by Carlos Latuff, even if I agree with the point he's making in a particular comic, because he's entirely too careless with anti-Semitic tropes (and let's face it, he probably is anti-Semitic on some level).

[NOVA Green]

America was one of three major counties in the World that opened the borders to those fleeing religious persecution at the hands of the Nazis.  (America, Russia, Mexico).

As Millions fled the Holocaust to various points and the creation of a huge Jewish Diaspora (Once again just like the ten lost tribes of Israel), the Statue of Liberty was a beacon towards a new land, where the previous generation of Jews fleeing the pogroms of Central and Eastern Europe had migrated to, including legendary Labor activist Emma Goldman and many others working in the Textile industry of Manhattan.

This isn't really true though... Most Jews immigrated to the U.S. far before the 30s and 40s, and throughout the 30s and 40s the U.S. mostly kept its borders closed to Jewish immigrants.

Well, I did reference the first major wave of Jewish Immigration to America.....   

I'm sure that I am likely repeating facts you already know, but for the benefit of other readers on the Forum, for what is relatively recent history of only a few Generations back.... and I'll post a few links throughout the post for those interested in exploring the history of the Holocaust further.

So, if we look simply at the Jewish population of Germany, which was an estimated 525,000 in January of 1933 roughly 300,000 Jews emigrated prior to Kristallnacht (11/38) where the NAZI thugs finally achieved absolute power in Germany, initially mainly to neighboring countries....

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/german-jewish-refugees-1933-1939

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany

https://www.britannica.com/event/Kristallnacht

Unfortunately many of the refugees who fled were caught in the NAZI dragnet, as the Gestapo and the German bureaucracy meticulously chased down Jews in all of the occupied nations of Europe....

Politically active German Jews has much higher rates of emigration from '38 > '40 (Hence my reference to Mexico, the United States, and Russia).

Divided Memory: The NAZI Past in the Two Germanys by Jeffrey Herf published in 1997, goes into extensive detail on this subject with some 26 pages devoted to Mexico City, as well as several pages to thousands of Jewish Immigrants escaping the Holocaust aided by the Jewish-American Community in New York City, as well as many pages to German Communists that immigrated to Moscow....

https://www.amazon.com/Divided-Memory-Nazi-Past-Germanys/dp/0674213041/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=divided+memory&qid=1566162681&s=gateway&sr=8-1

Now, you are 100% correct that American Immigration policy, which was reinterpreted by Republican President Herbert Hoover, made it extremely difficult for political asylum seekers to obtain legal residency in the US in the early years of the Great Depression.

https://www.facinghistory.org/defying-nazis/america-and-holocaust

Catholic leader Father Charles Coughlin, used his airtime as a major radio host to essentially promote anti-semitic stereotypes and hatred against Jews in the US, while becoming an outspoken supporter of Fascist and Nazi regimes in Germany, Italy, and Japan by the later part of the 1930s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin

The "America First" Movement (Sound familiar?) , which included many leading industrialists was not only strongly opposed to US Entry into WW II, but additionally were essentially supporting the equivalent of American Brownshirts.

Woody Gutherie wrote a song called "America First" where he called out the Nazi/Fascist leading supporters in the US....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k83WArW5XU

So yes you are correct, in that the Jewish-American experience was long a rocky road of discrimination and racism, although I believe that the US Government can and should have done more in the 1930s, as should have many other countries, FDR's hands were tied from a US population that was increasingly nativist from the time of Palmer Raids and backlash against immigration in the early '20s, as well as increasing isolationalism and Republican gains in Congress shortly after FDR's '32 landslide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer_Raids

The US enters WW II and proves to be a decisive influence in defeating Fascism and Nazi ideology in both Europe and Asia.

After WW II, the US pushed England and the United Nations to support the creation of an independent Israeli State, with Truman signing off the same day that Ben-Gurion proclaimed the establishment of the State of Israel.

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel

Israel since it's creation has been assailed by neighboring powers and countries from a wide range of backgrounds, and although I don't want to go into that whole discussion here, it is directly relevant to the topic at hand.

Israel created it's own equivalent "statue of liberty" as a new nation for all Jews fleeing persecution from throughout the world.

Built from scratch, under assault from day one, Israel in it's early decades, was in many ways a Socialist society, with some of the best government programs in the world when it came to housing, education, social services, etc.

Again, Amos Oz  (עמוס עוז)

RIP: 12/28/18.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amos_Oz

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Amos_Oz

https://www.newyorker.com/culture/postscript/what-israel-meant-to-amos-oz

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-how-amos-oz-became-the-cliche-of-the-good-zionist-1.6791630


Still, despite the dramatic change in Israeli population from the original Labor Zionist founders, to now a mixture of secular Jews from throughout the world, combined with a more hard-line settler population many of whom believe in reclaiming the Judea and Samaria, this is not a project that the overwhelming majority of American Jews support.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judea_and_Samaria_Area

The banning of US Congressional leaders simply because of their political positions regarding the Palestinian situation, and religious affiliation, is simply unreal and unacceptable.

They had meetings scheduled with both Arab and Jewish members of the Knesset...

Bibi is simply once again looking for a scapegoat, knowing that Trump has his back....

That being said, I suspect after the 2020 US General Election attempts to play domestic politics, while meanwhile Bibi is dodging corruption charges within Israel, even if Bibi wins, something tells me that although the US support for Israel will continue to be strong and forceful as it has been since '48, the blank checks are done with....

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/14/732863477/how-possible-corruption-charges-could-threaten-benjamin-netanyahus-tenure