Opinion of vittorio?

[lfromnj]

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[Statilius the Epicurean]

Basically me 5 years ago when I was a tunnelvision leftcom.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Lol.

[Vittorio]

Basically me 5 years ago when I was a tunnelvision leftcom.

The Communist Left has no vision.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Standard 30 year old White American basement Bolshevik.

[PSOL]

The poster has the energy to engage with people that are honestly lost to most people, and he gives out solid points. The poster’s only visible fault so far is that in giving detailed information, the poster relies putting on way too many quotations from the CM. Whether right or wrong, sometimes putting them with little context can be both overwhelming to some and be seen as a copout. With the readers, both special and normal reading it, I doubt the efficacy of such a move in preserving the original message Bordigist style.

Honestly a solid poster overall, there are no instances of uncivility, been a perverted protector of the system, or lost coolness compared to Kizzuanda. For that, being anywhere near borderline is an unfair assessment of this poster.

[John Dule]

Avoids having to construct his own arguments by copy+pasting long-winded quotes from his favorite neckbeard philosopher.

[SWE]

One of a very short list of non terrible new posters

[Donerail]

The poster has the energy to engage with people that are honestly lost to most people

Often to hilarious effect! FF

[Senator Incitatus]

Would probably kill me given the opportunity. Extreme FF.

[Vittorio]

Would probably kill me given the opportunity. Extreme FF.

Why? Communism is an objective class movement, not the movement of a subjectivistic political ideology. The enemy is Capital, not conservatives; and as soon as working-class conservatives come to realize their difficulties lie in the same ruling system as mine, they will make the best comrades.

Our programme must be: the reform of consciousness not through dogmas but by analyzing mystical consciousness obscure to itself, whether it appear in religious or political form. It will then become plain that the world has long since dreamed of something of which it needs only to become conscious for it to possess it in reality. It will then become plain that our task is not to draw a sharp mental line between past and future, but to complete the thought of the past. Lastly, it will become plain that mankind will not begin any new work, but will consciously bring about the completion of its old work.

We are therefore in a position to sum up the credo of our journal in a single word: the self-clarification (critical philosophy) of the struggles and wishes of the age. This is a task for the world and for us. It can succeed only as the product of united efforts. What is needed above all is a confession, and nothing more than that. To obtain forgiveness for its sins, mankind needs only to declare them for what they are.

[Senator Incitatus]

Would probably kill me given the opportunity. Extreme FF.

Why? Communism is an objective class movement, not the movement of a subjectivistic political ideology. The enemy is Capital, not conservatives; and as soon as working-class conservatives come to realize their difficulties lie in the same ruling system as mine, they will make the best comrades.

This is absolutely not me. Appreciate the kind words, though.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Basically me 5 years ago when I was a tunnelvision leftcom.

The Communist Left has no vision.

Huh. I said leftcom because of your anti-antifascism take. What tendency are you, then?

[Vittorio]

Basically me 5 years ago when I was a tunnelvision leftcom.

The Communist Left has no vision.

Huh. I said leftcom because of your anti-antifascism take. What tendency are you, then?

I'm what you would call a leftcom, yes. The point is that left-communists do not have a distinctive vision for revolution outside of understanding it as a process inherent to the capitalist mode of production. We do not envisage scenarios, "anticipate the world with our dogmas", but rather look to analyze conditions as they exist at present to see the way forward.

There is no distinctive left-communist revolution the way there are Marxist-Leninist, Maoists, etc. "revolutions".  Neither do we envisage the vanguard party as separate from the working-class, or as a formally organized Party under non-revolutionary conditions.

[Statilius the Epicurean]

Oh cool. I was a member of the Internationalist Communist Tendency (Communist Workers Organisation in the UK) for a few years. Lovely group of blokes, even if I eventually broke with them politically.

As for the substance of your post, well, I think it's rather a pedantic point to something I didn't really intend to imply. But of course working towards the overthrow of capital is a vision, no matter how you slice it.

The real question I have though is what an anti-electoralist doing on a, well, forum dedicated to the discussion of 'bourgeois' electoralism?

[Vittorio]

We aren't anti-electoralist in the way that, say, anarchists are. Our position is less that electoralism is wrong per se; simply that it cannot lead directly to socialism, or at least that it does so only in the sense that capitalism as a whole does.

That said, "(n)othing prevents us, therefore, from lining our criticism with a criticism of politics, from taking sides in politics, i.e., from entering into real struggles and identifying ourselves with them." Acknowledging that elections have no role to play in achieving socialism is not the same as holding that elections are irrelevant .

Indeed, historical materialism would be of the greatest immediate use to bourgeois theoreticians in explaining their own system to them - e.g. how it is that an institution like the Republican Party can veer from protection to free trade and back again, or how the Democratic Party came to be the political home of African-Americans, without resorting to silly, subjectivistic "party switch" theses. Users like North Carolina Yankee are essentially historical materialists without wanting to admit it.

[DavidB.]

Newest incarnation of Einzige?