Is saying LGBT 'leftist, anti-family/religous language?'

[Blair]

In a recent House debate on a bill about human rights protection overseas Represantive Jessica said that 'LGBTO' (?) leftist wording that has anti-religious and family undertones.

I must admit I was quite surprised as support for LGBT rights has always been a bipartisian & near-universal position across all parties; including in the federalist party!

So I thought in the spirit of New Years joy I'd run this poll to find out what Atlasia thinks...

As to Jessica's amendment: North Korea became a democracy some time back and Venezuela just held free and fair elections, per the Game Engine – they should not be included on this list. Beyond those immediate corrections, I'd like to hear justification for your inclusion of the other countries, as well as the striking of the equality and LGBTQ+ clauses.

I will modify the amendment with this in mind. These other countries also have bad history with treatment of religious minorities and human rights. Lastly, I striked down the equality and lgbto+ as that is leftist wording that has anti-religious and family undertones within my opinion. I'll modify to allow for the equality wording none the less out of middle ground.

[Former President tack50]

Jessica performing an interview on an LGBT activist on Atlasia state television, 2020:

[Former President tack50]

Also a fun fact that I realized a while back is that Atlasia has been united in defence of LGBT rights since well before the Federalist party was a thing. The legislation from the time is a bit confusing, but it seems civil unions were legalized in 2004 (literally when Atlasia was started, it was one of the first things to be done) and proper marriage in 2005.

If Atlasia was a real country it'd be third or fourth in the world (behind the Netherlands and Belgium and most of Canada)


In any case, Blair is right in that LGBT rights have long been a bipartisan position, dating back decades. For better or worse, social conservatism is extremely small in Atlasia.

[Continential]

Yankee said that 30% of the Feds would support banning gay marriage.

The context is here with some breaks which aren't added.
NCY1689 is Yankee
Trump and Mitch's Last Christmas is Wulfric/Dwarven Dragon
Governor カービィ is TimTurner
badger is LT

[Pheurton Skeurto]

It is a bit tragic that the right can’t field at least one generic candidate to run in place of this dolt but I suppose they’d rather have their coalition represented by someone who hasn’t absorbed any new information since the advent of the Motorola Razr than give up any seats at all.

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

The O in LGBTO stands for Obama. Frankly, if LGBTQ is "leftist wording that has anti-religious and family undertones", I'd love to hear what Jessica would rather call me.

[afleitch]

Former President Afleitch from the Old Folks Home;

'As a world leader in the extension of LGBT rights and protections, any moves against these is robustly un-Atlasian and an affront to all we stand for.'

[Continential]

It is a bit tragic that the right can’t field at least one generic candidate to run in place of this dolt but I suppose they’d rather have their coalition represented by someone who hasn’t absorbed any new information since the advent of the Motorola Razr than give up any seats at all.

Yankee sends a big PM every election to Feds and right leaning voters asking them to run for office and barely anyone runs for office

[8:08 PM] NCY1689: I really cannot afford to toss out an officeholding member because it triggers the left for them to be here
8:08 PM] NCY1689: She will do what she feels is right to represent her house base and our other house members will vote to serve their base like Cao

So yeah, the chances of Jessica being replaced is zero even if Yankee wanted to.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

The only "anti-family/religious language" I see is Jessica's statement in that thread. But I guess I am just a "triggered leftist" for thinking that defending equal rights is more important than the electoral convenience of the Federalist party.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Also a fun fact that I realized a while back is that Atlasia has been united in defence of LGBT rights since well before the Federalist party was a thing. The legislation from the time is a bit confusing, but it seems civil unions were legalized in 2004 (literally when Atlasia was started, it was one of the first things to be done) and proper marriage in 2005.

If Atlasia was a real country it'd be third or fourth in the world (behind the Netherlands and Belgium and most of Canada)


In any case, Blair is right in that LGBT rights have long been a bipartisan position, dating back decades. For better or worse, social conservatism is extremely small in Atlasia.

Bush style Republicans fell like a wet blanket on the Atlas population as a whole in 2004 and you had a large percentage of younger, more libertarian and/or socially liberal conservatives so the percentage of support for Gay Rights has always been quite high overall and generally even on the right.

The only "anti-family/religious language" I see is Jessica's statement in that thread. But I guess I am just a "triggered leftist" for thinking that defending equal rights is more important than the electoral convenience of the Federalist party.

Its not so much about electoral convenience as it electoral reality or mathematical reality. The right is about 30% of the game right now and going by my rough discord math which Ishan reposted about 30% of the right would support redefining marriage back to one man and one women. In between would be another group that is ambivalent, opposed to gov't involvement here or take the old line libertarian approach of marriage being completely separated from government. But leaving that vague group aside, take 30 and divide it three ways and you get 10% and 11% is roughly what you need to win a House seat (its probably less than that bc of some fancy math my brain is not in a good position to perform right now).

A supporter of traditional marriage being elected to the House is a likely outcome in most elections for house. This is a likely outcome for the House as it is structured, but before one is tempted to criticize STV on this grounds, at the same time it would a great job and has in ensuing that the overall House picture is representative of the popular opinion on this matter, so it cuts both ways and is arguably beneficial overall, even here.

As for the Atlasia Right, The Federalist Party is certainly more pro-LGBT then most conservative Parties in the world and probably on par with many Western European ones though I would defer to Blair on what views by rank and file and back bench tory party members are and whether that is more than 30% to 40%. I would hazard a guess it is the same general range but I have not looked at any polling on that to confirm.

[Continential]

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Looking at the voter rolls, there are 56 Federalists and presuming that a third of the Feds are socons, then 18 are Socons and that is around what Jessica got in all three house elections she ran for.

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Shameful!

[S019]

LGBTQIA+ rights have been considered mainstream in Atlasia far before Obergefell, the right needs to do a better job picking its culture war fights. Surely we can all agree that in 2020 people should be allowed to marry whoever they wish and be able to choose their own gender identity.

[Battista Minola 1616]

No, no, you don't get it Blair

She said saying LGBT+ "has anti-religious and family undertones"
So it has anti-religious undertones and family undertones.
LGBT+ having family undertones? Now that's what I call progress.

Also abolish all civil marriages tbh

I voted "2004 needs its talking points back" in the poll by the way.

[Battista Minola 1616]

LGBTQIA+ rights have been considered mainstream in Atlasia far before Obergefell, the right needs to do a better job picking its culture war fights. Surely we can all agree that in 2020 people should be allowed to marry whoever they wish and be able to choose their own gender identity.

Surely we can all agree that in 2020 people should be allowed to assume whatever substance they wish and be able to purchase their own gun?

[Continential]

Surely we can all agree that in 2020 people should be allowed to marry whoever they wish and be able to choose their own gender identity.

31% of America doesn't on gay marriage and 44% believes that you should be recognized by your birth gender.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/05/14/majority-of-public-favors-same-sex-marriage-but-divisions-persist/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

I have said ever since her failed run for Delegate that she'd be more of a liability than an asset for the Feds

[President of the great nation of 🏳️‍⚧️]

Surely we can all agree that in 2020 people should be allowed to marry whoever they wish and be able to choose their own gender identity.

No we can't. The Seventh Doctor put it best: "Earth takes its time on too many things, and [allowing fruits and vegetables to live the life we choose is] one of them. Not this century, I'm afraid. Though, the next one is... a little better." Granted, we're in the century where it gets "a little better", but the sentiment remains.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Surely we can all agree that in 2020 people should be allowed to marry whoever they wish and be able to choose their own gender identity.

31% of America doesn't on gay marriage and 44% believes that you should be recognized by your birth gender.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/05/14/majority-of-public-favors-same-sex-marriage-but-divisions-persist/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/

These people are what we call "wrong." I don't care about their opinions because whether they think LGBT people deserve equal rights or not is irrelevant.

[Skunk]

I mean personally I'm LGBT and anti-religious so like, close enough.

[Continential]

Surely we can all agree that in 2020 people should be allowed to marry whoever they wish and be able to choose their own gender identity.

31% of America doesn't on gay marriage and 44% believes that you should be recognized by your birth gender.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/05/14/majority-of-public-favors-same-sex-marriage-but-divisions-persist/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/

These people are what we call "wrong." I don't care about their opinions because whether they think LGBT people deserve equal rights or not is irrelevant.

My point is that there is a decent amount of people that are opposed to gay marriage and only recognize their birth gender as their gender and even if 10% of Atlasia supports that, that is enough for a house seat.

[Blair]

Surely we can all agree that in 2020 people should be allowed to marry whoever they wish and be able to choose their own gender identity.

31% of America doesn't on gay marriage and 44% believes that you should be recognized by your birth gender.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/05/14/majority-of-public-favors-same-sex-marriage-but-divisions-persist/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/

These people are what we call "wrong." I don't care about their opinions because whether they think LGBT people deserve equal rights or not is irrelevant.

My point is that there is a decent amount of people that are opposed to gay marriage and only recognize their birth gender as their gender and even if 10% of Atlasia supports that, that is enough for a house seat.

You can be opposed to marriage equality without being a homophobic bigot!

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Surely we can all agree that in 2020 people should be allowed to marry whoever they wish and be able to choose their own gender identity.

31% of America doesn't on gay marriage and 44% believes that you should be recognized by your birth gender.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2019/05/14/majority-of-public-favors-same-sex-marriage-but-divisions-persist/
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/

These people are what we call "wrong." I don't care about their opinions because whether they think LGBT people deserve equal rights or not is irrelevant.

My point is that there is a decent amount of people that are opposed to gay marriage and only recognize their birth gender as their gender and even if 10% of Atlasia supports that, that is enough for a house seat.

I'm not confused about how Jessica got elected. I'm disappointed.

[DKrol]

As a member of the LGBT community, I find the comments made by the Representative, and those defending her words, deeply troubling and personally insulting.