Who Deserves more blame for the death of the CA GOP

[Ogre Mage]

I would say the beginning of the end was Pete Wilson and the passage of Proposition 187 in 1994.  It awakened the sleeping giant of the Latino electorate and turned California Asians against the GOP as well.  Up to that point California was still considered a swing state in presidential politics; after that it was never anything but a Solid D state. 

As the Latino and Asian populations continued to swell in California the situation got more and more difficult for the CA GOP.  The Silicon Valley tech boom also brought many highly educated people to California who often looked cross-eyed at the GOP's backward stances on science and social policy.  Hillary Clinton's 30-point win over Trump in California was the worst performance of a Republican presidential candidate since the 1920s (lol).

Trump's (racist, ignorant) presidency was the nail in the CA GOP's coffin.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I would say the beginning of the end was Pete Wilson and the passage of Proposition 187 in 1994.  It awakened the sleeping giant of the Latino electorate and turned California Asians against the GOP as well.  Up to that point California was still considered a swing state in presidential politics; after that it was never anything but a Solid D state. 

As the Latino and Asian populations continued to swell in California the situation got more and more difficult for the CA GOP.  The Silicon Valley tech boom also brought many highly educated people to California who often looked cross-eyed at the GOP's backward stances on science and social policy.  Hillary Clinton's 30-point win over Trump in California was the worst performance of a Republican presidential candidate since the 1920s (lol).

Trump's (racist, ignorant) presidency was the nail in the CA GOP's coffin.

Ill never get why prop 187 was viewed as so terrible


I mean all it says is to receive government services you have to be legally here.

[completely dead account]

Pete Wilson.

It's not too late for the GOP to bounce back in CA though. The CA GOP needs to realize they need to start being more moderate on certain issues to appeal to a larger base of voters in CA.

[Sumner 1868]

Here's the real answer.

http://www.beyondchron.org/latino-voting-driven-labor-not-anti-immigrant-attacks/

[Virginiá]

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/06/prop-187-still-myth/

[DrScholl]

Pete Wilson started it, but it was accelerated by demographic changes in some areas like suburbs in Los Angeles County that shifted from majority white to majority minority almost over night. Trump has certainly pushed that it over the edge. Another thing that didn't help much is that the top two primary eliminated the possibility of winning by a plurality which is how Cooley almost won the Attorney General race in 2010 and how some Republicans in legislative and congressional races might have been able to hang on.

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I would say the beginning of the end was Pete Wilson and the passage of Proposition 187 in 1994.  It awakened the sleeping giant of the Latino electorate and turned California Asians against the GOP as well.  Up to that point California was still considered a swing state in presidential politics; after that it was never anything but a Solid D state. 

As the Latino and Asian populations continued to swell in California the situation got more and more difficult for the CA GOP.  The Silicon Valley tech boom also brought many highly educated people to California who often looked cross-eyed at the GOP's backward stances on science and social policy.  Hillary Clinton's 30-point win over Trump in California was the worst performance of a Republican presidential candidate since the 1920s (lol).

Trump's (racist, ignorant) presidency was the nail in the CA GOP's coffin.

[Technocracy Timmy]

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/06/prop-187-still-myth/

It amazes me that people even after you posted this trendline are still arguing that Pete Wilson and prop 187 started the decline of the CA GOP. Literally anyone with half a brain cell can see that the white vote was shifting in California starting in the 1980’s and presaged the emerging Democratic majority in California. I’m not a bright guy and even I can see this.

Did Prop 187 hurt the GOP in the state? Almost certainly but to declare it the starting point or worse yet, “the primary reason” for the fall of the CA GOP is ignorance at best and stupidity at worst. Even today the California electorate is still more white than it is Hispanic.

Texas has fairly similar demographics to California. And if Texas whites voted like California whites the state of Texas would be very Democratic even without the dreaded “Pete Wilson/Prop 187” figure and event.

[socaldem]

https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/06/prop-187-still-myth/

It amazes me that people even after you posted this trendline are still arguing that Pete Wilson and prop 187 started the decline of the CA GOP. Literally anyone with half a brain cell can see that the white vote was shifting in California starting in the 1980’s and presaged the emerging Democratic majority in California. I’m not a bright guy and even I can see this.

Did Prop 187 hurt the GOP in the state? Almost certainly but to declare it the starting point or worse yet, “the primary reason” for the fall of the CA GOP is ignorance at best and stupidity at worst. Even today the California electorate is still more white than it is Hispanic.

Texas has fairly similar demographics to California. And if Texas whites voted like California whites the state of Texas would be very Democratic even without the dreaded “Pete Wilson/Prop 187” figure and event.

I suppose there is an argument that the GOP could have sought to build a coalition that wasn't based on white revanchism and that alternative party more in line with Bushism might have included a sizable number of Latinos. In Canada, for example, immigrants often side with the more conservative parties...

[Technocracy Timmy]

I suppose there is an argument that the GOP could have sought to build a coalition that wasn't based on white revanchism and that alternative party more in line with Bushism might have included a sizable number of Latinos. In Canada, for example, immigrants often side with the more conservative parties...

It probably would’ve helped slow their demise. I’ve heard the argument of Bush in Texas winning a solid number of Hispanics and creating a multi-ethnic coalition via “tolerance and tax cuts” being applied to California but I don’t buy that that would’ve been remotely workable. The TX GOP rely heavily on crushing with white voters statewide. Even Donald Trump won white Texas voters 69-26%. Compared this to California where the Bay Area, Los Angeles, and other liberal enclaves with college educated whites would always prevent the California GOP from ever being able to landslide with white voters in the same manner. A different type of white voter resides in each state.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Or Maybe 1966-1998 was an anomaly in CA politics because before that era while it was a Republican state it was mainly dominated by Republicans who made Nelson Rockefeller look like a Conservative(Hiram Johnson and Earl Warren are most famous examples) and since around 2010 it has been a super progressive state(1998-2010 was basically an era where Politics were totally paralyzed) .

But 1966-1998 it was a conservative state:

It had Reagan as Governor for 2 terms, which set the stage for his Presidency
Prop 13
Anti Crime Prop's Passed and Judges viewed as weak on Crime were removed
George Deukmejian arguably was even more conservative than Reagan governed for two terms

[Sumner 1868]

and since around 2010 it has been a super progressive state

No it isn't. Unless progressive means anything on the left of the Ludwig von Moses Institute. Just look at how Jerry Brown has aggressively promoted fracking, California's Democratic legislature killing single-payer, and Feinstein beating DeLeon. California is a one-party state with a neoliberal faction dominant.

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Was it? Gray Davis wins a landslide in 1998. He is re-elected modestly in 2002. He is recalled by ten points in 2003. Schwarzenegger wins a full term in 2006 easily. None of these races were nail-baiters and Democrats maintained control of the legislature during that entire period.

[OSR stands with Israel]

and since around 2010 it has been a super progressive state

No it isn't. Unless progressive means anything on the left of the Ludwig von Moses Institute. Just look at how Jerry Brown has aggressively promoted fracking, California's Democratic legislature killing single-payer, and Feinstein beating DeLeon. California is a one-party state with a neoliberal faction dominant.

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Was it? Gray Davis wins a landslide in 1998. He is re-elected modestly in 2002. He is recalled by ten points in 2003. Schwarzenegger wins a full term in 2006 easily. None of these races were nail-baiters and Democrats maintained control of the legislature during that entire period.

Well Look at Articles about California at the time.

It was considered to be ungovernable due to political polarization, its legislature almost couldnt get anything passed.


And CA during that time had a 2/3 rule to pass budgets as well and due to polarization meeting that requirement was next to impossible and that paralyzed state politics

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Orange County and San Diego are becoming extensions of Los Angeles metro areas, and Sacramento is becoming part of San Francisco with Latinos. East, is GOP. Gold Coast is Democratic.

Arnie made this happen, by governing like Maria Shriver