Kamala harris's charisma is comparable to which President

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Ive been through enough elections to be able to see when a candidate has the ''it'' factor. Harris just isnt that candidate but I would not put it over the Dem establishment to try and get her through though.

I tend to agree with you regarding Harris and the "it" factor... (one caveat- she may have the ability to really rise to the occasion and turn on the charm when its show time).

But regarding the it factor you mentioned... which dems do you think have it (or may have it)- regardless if they are planning on running or not?

The historical circumstances ''pick'' the right candidate...not the other way around. I think the historical circumstances favor a swing to the far left and either Sanders or Warren will get the nomination in 2020. Warren is arguably the most underrated contender that everyone on here (a forum where 99% of the members predicted Hillary would win) thinks would lose. Warren has the credibility but she also has party establishment backing. Sanders has credibility but is going against the party establishment.

Charismatic candidates dont ''win'' more...its just that good fundamentals leads to good charismatic candidates running that otherwise wouldn't of ran in an bad election year.

I very much agree with your 1st point regarding Historical circumstances heavily influencing presidential elections.  But I disagree that this will lead to a far-left candidate... especially not Warren (I think to so many of the low info voters... they see her as Hillary 2.0).  I also think voters will be looking for a fresher face in 2020- and that Bernie will not end up running (or will finish 2nd again if he does).  I think someone who can best thread the needle to appeal to both wings of the party (via tone & some stances seen as Progressive & some seen as traditional Democratic) will win. (not someone who is all one or the other).

But again, I do think the candidate's natural charasma/ likeability is the X-factor.  There are many top politicians that have basically the same stances (fundamentals)... But especially with increase of media over past 25 years, the x-factor is which top politician (senators, governors, etc) can best sell that massage and come across as likeable in the process (charisma/ likeability).

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Harris does have the "it" factor. She may not have it as much as Sanders '16 or Obama '08, but she has enough to get her a nomination, and more than any others. It's important that she has a double-breasted armor on the identity front; she'll be able to brand her male opponents sexist and her female opponents racist. But more than that, I think Democrats want a black woman. Remember the huge boom for Oprah earlier last year.

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Harris does have the "it" factor. She may not have it as much as Sanders '16 or Obama '08, but she has enough to get her a nomination, and more than any others. It's important that she has a double-breasted armor on the identity front; she'll be able to brand her male opponents sexist and her female opponents racist. But more than that, I think Democrats want a black woman. Remember the huge boom for Oprah earlier last year.

I sort of agree with the "it" factor analysis (potentially... we'll have to see how does campaigning in Primaries).  I also agree that identity she brings when combined with the it factor is certainly a positive.  

However, I disagree with the comparison to Oprah.  The buzz around Oprah was due to her larger than life celebrity status- & very favorable ratings... not that she was a black woman.  

I also disagree with the analysis regarding Harris being able to brand males opponents as sexist & females as whatever  (not really sure the connection being drawn).  This didn't work for Hillary- regarding Trump as sexist (which many people already thought- didn't need to brand him)...
And I doubt Harris would fall into the trap of trying to brand all opponents as sexist or racist- simply  because they disagree with her or do not support her (which is different from doing so based on overt actions- such as the rallies in Charlottesville). Harris would likely be similar to Obama- reticent to use racism very often as an attack line towards opponents.

But I do agree Dems want a female & a minority on the ticket (not necessarily a minority woman)... And I think this is a good thing considering the HUGE majority of the Dem party is either a female or a minority (white males are probably less than 1/4th of the Dem Party makeup, so it only makes sense that such a party's Presidential ticket is not 2 white males. (in the same way that the republican presidential ticket being 2 black females is unlikely).

[Beet]

Harris does have the "it" factor. She may not have it as much as Sanders '16 or Obama '08, but she has enough to get her a nomination, and more than any others. It's important that she has a double-breasted armor on the identity front; she'll be able to brand her male opponents sexist and her female opponents racist. But more than that, I think Democrats want a black woman. Remember the huge boom for Oprah earlier last year.

I sort of agree with the "it" factor analysis (potentially... we'll have to see how does campaigning in Primaries).  I also agree that identity she brings when combined with the it factor is certainly a positive.  

However, I disagree with the comparison to Oprah.  The buzz around Oprah was due to her larger than life celebrity status- & very favorable ratings... not that she was a black woman.  

I also disagree with the analysis regarding Harris being able to brand males opponents as sexist & females as whatever  (not really sure the connection being drawn).  This didn't work for Hillary- regarding Trump as sexist (which many people already thought- didn't need to brand him)...
And I doubt Harris would fall into the trap of trying to brand all opponents as sexist or racist- simply  because they disagree with her or do not support her (which is different from doing so based on overt actions- such as the rallies in Charlottesville). Harris would likely be similar to Obama- reticent to use racism very often as an attack line towards opponents.

Yeah but I'm talking about the primary. Hillary was certainly able to brand Sanders as out of touch on racial issues if not racist, and she wasn't even black (in fact she had racial problems of her own). But simply because most African Americans supported her, her supporters were able to brand Bernie as racist. And the whole "BernieBro" attack worked as well, effectively branding Bernie's passionate supporters as sexist white dudes.
The point of these attacks is not that the candidate himself or herself does it, but their supporters, allies in the media, etc. do it for them so their hands are clean. The racism attack was used successfully by Obama supporters against Clinton in the 2008 primaries as well. Obama himself never had to do a thing.

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But again, I do think the candidate's natural charasma/ likeability is the X-factor.  There are many top politicians that have basically the same stances (fundamentals)... But especially with increase of media over past 25 years, the x-factor is which top politician (senators, governors, etc) can best sell that massage and come across as likeable in the process (charisma/ likeability).

Charisma is subjective and who will be seen as charismatic will largely be determined by the mood/national enviorment of the country. If this country is in the gutter by 2020 with a recession, or Trump firing Mueller, and other problems (which it will) then it will call for a certain type of charisma and a specific type of personality. What I'm trying to say here is that there are different types of charisma but they only work well under certain circumstances.(which are mostly out of the candidates control anyway) Atlas basically thinks that anyone that can hold a convo and doesn't have social anxiety is charismatic but that alone is not enough. A person doesn't have to walk around upright projecting their pseudo-confidence with a big dumb grin pasted over their face at all times to be charismatic...that's like being a self-parody of every politician ever that came out of central casting. It's going to come down to the mood of the country pushing the voting public to look for a certain type of leader who will possess qualities that might otherwise not be seen as charismatic but due to the circumstances were in will become charismatic.