Conservatives and libertarians only: Favorite Israeli right wing party

[Greedo punched first]

Which Israeli right wing party is your favorite?

[SATW]

1. Likud
2. Kulanu
3. The Jewish Home
4. Yisrael Beiteinu
5. Yachad (not listed)
6. Shas (not listed)
7. Yesh Atid (not a center-right or right-wing party)

[Fight for Trump]

Likud

[Greedo punched first]

Kulanu

[Goldwater]

Likud, I guess, though I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject.

[SATW]

Likud, I guess, though I'm not very knowledgeable on the subject.

I'll try and simplify Israel's political parties a bit:

Israeli Political Spectrum operates on four spheres: (Far from perfect descriptions but meh)

- Security/Peace
- Foreign Policy/Domestic Policy
- Religious/Secular
- Capitalist/Socialist (not so much a prevalent divide anymore because foreign policy dominates so much of Israel's agenda).

A lot of parties are in between certain categories.

Likud: Security/Foreign Policy/Moderately Religious/Capitalist
The Jewish Home: Support for Settlements as a means for Security and Peace/Foreign Policy/Religious/Capitalist
Yisrael Beiteinu: Security meshed in with a very nationalist vision of peace/Foreign Policy/Secular/Capitalist
Kulanu: Security/Domestic Policy/Secular/Pragmatic Capitalism + fighting income inequality and for consumer protection
Yachad: Settlements, ultrazionism and ultranationalism over security and peace/Foreign Policy/Very Religious/Economic Social Justice
Shas: Mix of Security and Peace/Domestic Policy/Very Religious + Mizrahi/Sephardic ethnic interests/Economic Social Justice + Populism
United Torah Judaism: Tilts more toward Peace/Domestic Policy/Very Religious + Ashkenazi interests/Economic Social Justice
Yesh Atid: "All Moderate Hero/Democratic Liberals, All the time" (Mix of Security/Peace; Domestic Policy; Secular; Economic centrism)
Zionist Union (Labor/Hatnuah): Peace preference w/ some security concerns/Domestic Policy/Secular/Social Democracy
Meretz: Pure Peace Preference/Domestic Policy + Green Politics/Secular/Social Democracy (Members of Socialist International)
Joint Arab List: "Israeli-Arab Interests"/Has strong Anti-Zionist elements but other parties in it are Pro-Peace in the left-wing sense of the term/Domestic Policy Preference + Arab nationalism/Secular and Islamic/Socialist and Marxist elements mixed in with some social democracy elements*

* The Joint Arab List has like 4 parties in it and it makes it difficult to pin down its ideology. But, half the parties are Anti-Zionist and the other half are pro-Two State solution. There are some secular parties but other are very islamic in nature. Mainly left-wing parties but some right-wing elements as well.

For you Goldwater, I think Likud, Kulanu or Yesh Atid would fit decently, depending on what you care about the most (Security = Likud; Secularism = Yesh Atid; Economics = Kulanu).

[Goldwater]

Interesting. Looking at those descriptions, I still think that Likud fit's the best overall, though I guess I might be considered a "moderate" member of the party.

[DavidB.]

Currently extremely dissatisfied with BY/Jewish Home, but from the right. I do like Tekuma. May -- but may also not -- support something that will inevitably pop up to BY's right.

Voted BY in the poll because it's still better than the other options.

[SATW]

Interesting. Looking at those descriptions, I still think that Likud fit's the best overall, though I guess I might be considered a "moderate" member of the party.

Yea, even I'm a bit more moderate on the religious issues but Likud's views on national security and foreign policy are my cup of tea.

[Higgs]

Likud probably.

[mencken]

Currently extremely dissatisfied with BY/Jewish Home, but from the right. I do like Tekuma. May -- but may also not -- support something that will inevitably pop up to BY's right.

Voted BY in the poll because it's still better than the other options.

What has the Jewish Home done recently to earn your ire?

[DavidB.]

Currently extremely dissatisfied with BY/Jewish Home, but from the right. I do like Tekuma. May -- but may also not -- support something that will inevitably pop up to BY's right.
Voted BY in the poll because it's still better than the other options.

What has the Jewish Home done recently to earn your ire?

First of all, former Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon extending administrative detention to Jewish suspects in a government with Bayit Yehudi was unacceptable. They should have vetoed that. It was a move out of Ya'alon's vengeance toward the settler community and out of Likud's misplaced focus on hasbara/PR (look how we torture Jews and Arabs in an equal way! MUH TURRISM) rather than sound domestic policy, as is so often the case. More fake Likud toughness. I very clearly see the problems with the so-called hilltop youth, as I've interacted with them myself, and I very clearly see the problems with people that are out of control in general, but that's what the justice system is for. You can't treat kids like terrorists if you don't have any evidence against them, and you absolutely can't torture them. If we're going to torture Jews in the State of Israel then something has gone fundamentally wrong (though in general I don't like torture and administrative detention for anybody), and it's Bennett, with all his talk about ahavat Yisrael, who should have prevented this from happening.

But there are other issues. For instance the fact that there is still zero progress on the Temple Mount prayer issue, which should be possible under a nominally right-wing government. I can personally testify that every religious Jewish group on the Temple Mount fights its own little religious war with the Waqf (who don't understand prayer in Dutch!), which is a big chillul Hashem on Israeli territory. Another such issue is the "evacuation" of the village of Amona, with Bayit Yehudi doing very little to prevent it -- the eventual compromise is probably the best that the villagers could have possibly gotten, but it is still maddening that after the disaster of Gush Katif, Jewish villages are again destructed because of ultra-leftist courts and the fake right. BY should have stood up more forcefully for these people instead of violating their trust.

This goes to show that at the end of the day, BY doesn't do enough to address the injustices against Jews that still exist and change the status-quo. We all know Likud are a mess, interested in staying in power, guarding the status-quo regardless of the consequences, lining their pockets and nothing else. It's Bayit Yehudi (and Yisrael Beiteinu and Kulanu) that should be pushing for change, and they (talking about BY here; Kulanu and YB have other issues) don't do it because they are too easily satisfied with whatever crumbles Netanyahu decides to give them. That is bad for Israel. I acknowledge that progress is being made on many issues (mainly by people like Ayelet Shaked), and I acknowledge that the change I want BY to help foster is a process, not something that can happen overnight. However, the fact remains that Bennett, who is on the left of BY, is more interested in power than in principles and that he prioritizes mainstreaming the party over being ideological and changing the status-quo. Perhaps there is value in that, but I'd prefer to support (and, in the future, cast my vote for) the ideological vanguards of the change I want to see rather than the Bennetts of this world.

[Lechasseur]

I think they're a bit too agressive on foreign policy for my liking but overall Likud are decent.