If Jeb was accountable for GWB's baggage, Hillary is accountable for Bill's

[JRP1994]

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Alright, but the Guacamole Merchant didn't lose because of his brother. He lost because Trump was effectively his kryptonite, his only weakness.

[IceSpear]

I don't recall Jeb ever being held accountable for Dubya's baggage. I remember him flubbing a question about the Iraq War, but that was about his own idiocy, not Dubya being his brother.

[Lyin' Steve]

Nobody thought Jeb was accountable for GWB's baggage.  What people were saying was that since they were brothers it was entirely reasonable to ask Jeb what he thought of his brother's policies.  When Jeb wasn't able to answer simple questions about them, that was when people started to just assume he'd be pretty similar.

Hillary has specifically illustrated a number of different issues on which she either disagrees with her husband or thinks that the actions he took in the 90s were incorrect.

[Vosem]

With the same field, but minus _trump, Jeb still could not have won. He needed to clear the field like his brother did in 2000.

[MM876]

It depends on how they campaign. Hillary is using Bill's tenure as a campaign feature, so she's accountable. Up until Jeb had W. campaigning for him, I don't think he was really accountable for W.'s decisions.

[Ljube]

Both are accountable, of course.

[Virginiá]

Both are accountable, of course.

Why?

[Ljube]

Both are accountable, of course.

Why?

Jeb defended his brother. That means he agrees with him and would do the same thing again if he got the chance/the same situation presented itself.

Hillary is a hypocrite who tolerated her husband's many affairs just to stay in power and one day come to power in her own right.

[Virginiá]

Jeb defended his brother. That means he agrees with him and would do the same thing again if he got the chance/the same situation presented itself.

Hillary is a hypocrite who tolerated her husband's many affairs just to stay in power and one day come to power in her own right.

Well, regarding Jeb, didn't he surround himself with his advisors who served with his brother and/or father? If that's the case, then yes I agree with you on him. If he hadn't brought on some of the idiots who helped bungle GWB's presidency, I would have been warmer towards him.

But with Hillary, she didn't really have any official say in the matter. Should we hold people responsible for everything their friends or family members do? You could say that the person has influence over said friends/family, so if they didn't get those friends/family to change their minds on whatever dumb stuff they were doing, then surely that person is responsible!

For all we know, Hillary did try and talk Bill out of some of the things we have come to despise today, but as a public official, you can't project an image of a divided couple or else is weakens you politically. So she couldn't have went against him in public or even in front of confidants. I don't think it's any surprise why she did what she did, regardless of what she believed.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

Jeb wasn't in the race long enough to be held accountable or unaccountable for anything.

Hillary's problem is that she wants to have it both ways. She wants credit for all the good things people remember about her husband's tenure (low unemployment, strong income and job growth) but doesn't want to talk about not getting healthcare reform or about welfare reform or stricter criminal sentencing or finance deregulation.

I think the fact that Hillary had as much authority and input in her husband's administration as she did, despite never being elected to anything or confirmed by the Senate for any official role, is the real scandal. And Bill is basically openly stating that they plan to co-rule together like William and Mary or Ferdinand and Isabella or Juan and Evita.

[Fuzzy Bear]

Both are accountable, of course.

Both are accountable because, fair or not, both are going to be held accountable by the voters.

Hillary Clinton was an active member of Bill's administration; a political arm of his and an active surrogate.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Both are accountable, of course.

Why?

Jeb defended his brother. That means he agrees with him and would do the same thing again if he got the chance/the same situation presented itself.

Hillary is a hypocrite who tolerated her husband's many affairs just to stay in power and one day come to power in her own right.

Are you married? Have you been in any kind of long-term human relationship?

I make it a rule never to project on others.

[SillyAmerican]

Both are accountable, of course.

Agreed.

Nobody thought Jeb was accountable for GWB's baggage.  What people were saying was that since they were brothers it was entirely reasonable to ask Jeb what he thought of his brother's policies.  When Jeb wasn't able to answer simple questions about them, that was when people started to just assume he'd be pretty similar.

Hillary has specifically illustrated a number of different issues on which she either disagrees with her husband or thinks that the actions he took in the 90s were incorrect.

Yes. Fair or not, folks are going to question how closely the policies of family members align, and where/why they diverge. I think many of these questions are legitimate, although some of it is simply politics.

Jeb wasn't in the race long enough to be held accountable or unaccountable for anything.

Hillary's problem is that she wants to have it both ways. She wants credit for all the good things people remember about her husband's tenure (low unemployment, strong income and job growth) but doesn't want to talk about not getting healthcare reform or about welfare reform or stricter criminal sentencing or finance deregulation.

I think the fact that Hillary had as much authority and input in her husband's administration as she did, despite never being elected to anything or confirmed by the Senate for any official role, is the real scandal. And Bill is basically openly stating that they plan to co-rule together like William and Mary or Ferdinand and Isabella or Juan and Evita.

Excellent points.

[sg0508]

Big, big difference.

GWB's presidency really screwed up our future, and we know it...he knows it too.

While many argue the GOP landslide of '94 started the economic boom of the 90s, Clinton's presidency yielded a huge market boom and over 22 million new jobs.  The worst bill he signed...NAFTA and he knows it, but most Americans don't.

Big difference.