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Question: How big of a loss in NY would it take for Sanders to drop out?
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Clinton wins by 5-10
 
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Clinton wins by 10-15
 
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Clinton wins by 15-20
 
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Clinton wins by 20+
 
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Nothing will make him quit
 
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« on: April 09, 2016, 07:33:56 PM »

Sanders is staking a lot on NY, as winning the nomination even with a 20 point win in CA requires at least a tie in NY. What, if any, margin would be yuge enough to make him exit the race?
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2016, 07:35:36 PM »

Even if he lost by 80-20 he wouldn't quit. He's a very stubborn man
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2016, 08:05:47 PM »

Maybe a result like 75-25 would make him consider quitting, but Clinton's not getting that much of a blowout. I'd say that a 65-35 Clinton win (the highest I can imagine right now) would look bad for him, but he'd still stay in.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2016, 09:21:19 PM »

25%ish loss, though he only deserves to stay in if he wins. If he cares about Hillary's GE prospects (not entirely convinced he does), he should get out by the next morning unless he wins.
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2016, 09:23:24 PM »

A margin so wide that Sanders supporters would think it could only be the result of corruption.

Therefore, nothing.
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2016, 10:27:50 PM »

Maybe a result like 75-25 would make him consider quitting, but Clinton's not getting that much of a blowout. I'd say that a 65-35 Clinton win (the highest I can imagine right now) would look bad for him, but he'd still stay in.
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2016, 11:48:28 PM »
« Edited: April 09, 2016, 11:52:04 PM by BundouYMB »

Sanders' campaign isn't about trying to win the nomination (if it was he'd have dropped out after Super Tuesday when any realistic path to it vanished for him.) I say no margin could make him quit.
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2016, 11:50:51 PM »

The only thing that could force him out would be if he ran out of money, and that doesn't seem likely. Apparently his fundraising has slowed in recent days (probably some of his supporters are slowly realizing the futility of this enterprise), but he will have enough money to compete all the way to California.
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2016, 12:19:21 AM »

Sanders' campaign isn't about trying to win the nomination (if it was he'd have dropped out after Super Tuesday when any realistic path to it vanished for him.) I say no margin could make him quit.


If he had swept OH/MO/IL (which was a legitimate possibility), even by 52-48ish margins, he'd be in a much better place. He wouldn't need a 20 point win in PA, for one thing.
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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2016, 01:28:08 AM »

Nothing. He would respond to any margin by saying it was Hillary's home state and wait until after California or until she gets a majority with pledged delegates alone before he drops out.
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« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2016, 01:42:39 AM »

The whole "It's Hillary's home state" is a really pathetic excuse when you've gone around effectively saying you're the "real new yorker" by pointing out your Brooklyn birth and gone out and said you expect to win (as Sanders has done).

If he's using "majority with pledged delegates only" as a benchmark, the answer is pretty much never getting out. Even if Hillary wins 70-30 in NY and 60-40 in every other remaining contest (which isn't happening), she'd only get to 2324 (a majority is 2383).
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2016, 02:51:45 AM »

The whole "It's Hillary's home state" is a really pathetic excuse when you've gone around effectively saying you're the "real new yorker" by pointing out your Brooklyn birth and gone out and said you expect to win (as Sanders has done).

If he's using "majority with pledged delegates only" as a benchmark, the answer is pretty much never getting out. Even if Hillary wins 70-30 in NY and 60-40 in every other remaining contest (which isn't happening), she'd only get to 2324 (a majority is 2383).

This is an excellent observation.
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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2016, 03:11:37 AM »
« Edited: April 10, 2016, 03:18:19 AM by Shadows »

No margin is the answer - Hillary has to be cleared first by the FBI for him to drop out!

1 - There will more than 1000 delegates still left - Mathematically a win is possible & it is better to lose with 24 states than say 16 states - Better to finish with 2000 delegates & CA win than say 1500 delegates.

2 -  Hillary has the indictment thing hanging over her head - If the FBI finds her guilty, (even if Obama pardons her) it will certainly be the end of her political career. The Dem party would try to find another establishment candidate then. The higher pledged delegates Sanders has, the stronger the case he can make that he should be the nominee & not someone else.

If Hillary is cleared of the emails before the convention & Sanders is down by 250-300, I think he will back off before the convention & commit to supporting Clinton!
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2016, 03:22:07 AM »

"If the FBI finds her guilty"
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2016, 03:29:40 AM »

Nothing, Bernie will fight to the end.
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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2016, 03:35:21 AM »

Sanders' campaign stopped long ago being about promoting his message. It has become a personal vanity project and a slush fund to enrich his campaign consultants.
Results are irrelevant as shown yesterday where he said with a straight face that his campaign remains competitive because he has won 17 states and repeated the canard that he lost the South because it's a "conservative region".
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2016, 05:01:03 AM »

Hillary has to be cleared first by the FBI for him to drop out!

The problem with using this line of thought is that Hillary will never formally be cleared, because you usually have to be charged first in order to be cleared.

Sanders' campaign stopped long ago being about promoting his message. It has become a personal vanity project and a slush fund to enrich his campaign consultants.

I honestly don't know of a single presidential campaign, ever, that deep down wasn't run by the candidate's own vanity.

More to the point of the question, I don't think anything will make Sanders drop out, nor should it if his intent is to fight to the convention to get his platform injected into the party.
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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2016, 05:16:07 AM »

Hillary has to be cleared first by the FBI for him to drop out!

The problem with using this line of thought is that Hillary will never formally be cleared, because you usually have to be charged first in order to be cleared.

Sanders' campaign stopped long ago being about promoting his message. It has become a personal vanity project and a slush fund to enrich his campaign consultants.

I honestly don't know of a single presidential campaign, ever, that deep down wasn't run by the candidate's own vanity.

More to the point of the question, I don't think anything will make Sanders drop out, nor should it if his intent is to fight to the convention to get his platform injected into the party.

She is under criminal investigation as it stands now, could well be recommended an indictment, so unless the FBI says she is not guilty, Sanders has no reason to quit! The deal is people will know if the FBI recommends an indictment or not!
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